Focke Wulf Fw 190 / Ta 152 Projects & Variants

[Jemiba]

The discussion about engine ratings, water injection and so on was moved to a dedicated thread in the propulsion section,
as not really related anymore to the original topic:

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/engine-ratings-during-late-wwii.43755/#post-687031

 

[spicmart]

The Ta 152 book by Thomas Hitchcock was much anticipated back then.
Any opinions about it here whether it lives up to it?

 

[sienar]

Some nice details on the initial, 139 powered 190 design


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[newsdeskdan]

They really had a long way to go in developing the radiator/cowling at that point!

 

[sgeorges4]

Some nice details on the initial, 139 powered 190 design
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invenio

Hello, it's been a while I've been here tho I'm going back to my luft 46 models (currently well on my way with a hobby boss D12/R14 and Ta 152 C), I wonder why was the wing Mg crossed on one drawing.

Thanks for your answer!

 

[Dagger]

I wonder why was the wing Mg crossed on one drawing.

Actually they considered moving the MG 151 from each outer wing (crossed out) to each wing root (added in the drawing rather sketchy) next to each MG 17.

For the V1 and V2 there exist drawings, and photos of wooden model, showing an MG 17 and an MG 131 next to each other in each wing root.
The V1 was built unarmed, the V2 had two MG 17 and two MG 131 in the wing roots.

Initially they were not sure exactly which MG types to use and where to put the MG's in the wings.
Fw 190A production aircraft had usually one MG in each wing root and one MG in each outer wing, plus two MG's in the nose above the engine.

 

[Mark24]

????dora or 190 or fake?

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It's the Fw-190D-12. They also tried it with the Ta-152C, but it was to hard to regain stability upon release. So they reverted back to the D-12

 

[Justo Miranda]

It's the Fw-190D-12. They also tried it with the Ta-152C, but it was to hard to regain stability upon release. So they reverted back to the D-12

Hi

 

[Mark24]

Hi

That's nice. I disagree.

 

[Apophenia]

That's nice. I disagree.

It would be rather more helpful if you could provide a reference to your BT 1400-toting Fw 190D-12.

Going back to the image from reply #170, there is something odd about that photograph. I have rather crudely plonked some Fw 190D-12 artwork over that image. Granted the comparative angles of the two images are a bit off but, still, the relative proportions are quite strange.

 

[Grzesio]

The photo shows a typical radial engined Fw 190, position and size of the cockpit relatively to the fuselage prove it beyond all doubts. The BT could be the BT 700 A as far as its length is concerned.

 

[Airborne2001]

The photo shows a typical radial engined Fw 190, position and size of the cockpit relatively to the fuselage prove it beyond all doubts. The BT could be the BT 700 A as far as its length is concerned.

This makes sense. Though, I am a bit surprised that the lower fuselage got cut off that much by light, even with WWII camera quality.

 

[Ivan Culjak]

Yes. You have to remember, the BF109 started design in ~1933, four years before Kurt Tank started work on the FW190. The FW190 was always hoped to succeed the BF109 by Tank. The RLM merely wished it to supplement it.
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The RLM was right!

 

[newsdeskdan]

Yes. You have to remember, the BF109 started design in ~1933, four years before Kurt Tank started work on the FW190. The FW190 was always hoped to succeed the BF109 by Tank. The RLM merely wished it to supplement it.

The RLM was right!
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The Fw 190 (air-cooled) was a contender against the Me 209 (evaporative cooling) and He 100 (evaporative cooling) as the next main Luftwaffe fighter. In other words, the RLM wanted a Bf 109 replacement and those were the competitors. Their common feature was an emphasis on speed through streamlining - no radiator bulge (Fw also pitched the Fw 187, which aimed for speed through a streamlined twin-engine layout, but with conventional radiators).

The RLM gave the contract to Focke-Wulf, picking the Fw 190, but then came to bitterly regret that decision because although the twin-row air-cooled radial seemed like a safer bet than the risky evaporative options - or the expensive twin-engine design - the BMW 139 (and 801) had massive and seemingly unsolvable overheating problems.

So it quickly became clear (at that point in time) that the Fw 190 wasn't going to become the next main Luftwaffe fighter. Therefore, the Me 209 was picked to replace the Bf 109 instead. Following a substantial redesign, that emerged as the Me 309. Production plans from 1942 show the 109 being wound down and replaced entirely in production by the 309.

The Fw 190 was to continue in limited production before being either cancelled entirely or replaced by a liquid-cooled engine variant. But then, finally, the overheating problem was solved and everything changed.