Flitzer's WW2 German Secret Project Profiles

[Flitzer]

Not a comment on your skills Flitzer but the rear engine pair on that aircraft would be horrible... Its going to be ingesting down wash from the wings and efflux from the jets in front as well as turbulent boundary layer from the whole lot. I know jets were in their infancy but come on...

Touchy this morning?

You may well be right, but this was an actual drawing board project and I am simply doing an illustration of it as seen on the 3-views.
Messerschmitt probably thought along similar lines as there were a number of subsequent designs, one of which is illustrated on Justo's post.
I am trying to show what they may have looked like warts and all, not judging whether they would have been successful or not.
But the feasability of any design is I am sure worthy of discussion here.

After all there have been aircraft built and flown that should never have left the drawing board whilst others that stayed on the drawing board may well have proved very successful.

Cheers
Peter

 

[gery]

Fine work FLITZER as usual...

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks Gery.

I'm re-modelling the side view at the moment. Here it shows the engines as flat to the fuselage sides, so I'm changing the angle to try and show them 'pinched'.

Cheers
Peter

 

[Flitzer]

Results so far

 

[Flitzer]

Hi all
and Brazen.
Work in progress of the Fw Ta283 attached.
Getting close to finishing.

Cheers
Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

My 283 here

 

[Flitzer]

Hi Justo
looking at yours I think I will need to add/modify hatches and bits, as yours is far more accurate.

Many thanks
Peter

 

[hole in the ground]

Ive always liked this design. It suggests speed
Looks a bit like a dragster

 

[Flitzer]

Ive always liked this design. It suggests speed
Looks a bit like a dragster

Hi HITG
The dragster reference is spot on.
Santa Pod anyone?

Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Zizi6785]

The HUMA kit:

 

[Zizi6785]

And a great review:
http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/axis/luft/fw/283.htm

Pictures galary:
http://www.modellversium.de/galerie/9-flugzeuge-militaer-bis-1949/3953-fock-wulf-ta-283.html

 

[Justo Miranda]

Hi Justo
looking at yours I think I will need to add/modify hatches and bits, as yours is far more accurate.

Many thanks
Peter

Plese note unpainted ramjets

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks Justo.
Re-worked the bare metal engines and a few hatches.

Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

See additional info at http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5258.15.html

 

[Justo Miranda]

Please see "T-Stoff" & "C-Stoff" stencils positions

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks again Justo.

I was about to ask about stencils.
You must have read my mind. On the your yellow side view there are various stencils, what do these say?
In German of course.
Also the 'T-stoff' and 'C-Stoff' stickers? Where would they be positioned on the 283? Similar to the 163, i.e. tucked under the rear lower fuselage?


Many thanks
Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

Tailfin and upper rear fuselage (my opinion)

 

[Jemiba]

"..there are various stencils, what do these say? "

Probably quite hard to get it "correct" for a never-was-built, but clues about
such stencils you can find in the various walk-arounds, for example here :
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/001-100/walk019_Me-163/walk019a.htm
http://www.aircraftwalkarounds.be/introduction.html

These photos are from the mentioned sites.

Just a tip: "Hier aufbocken" (raise here) probably isn't suitable for the Ta 283, as it had a
wheeled landing gear, contrary to the Me 163, which had to be moved by a special vehicle
after landing on its skid.

With other verbs, like "öffnen" (open), "verriegeln" (lock), or "anschließen" (connect) you can
produce realistic stencils, I think.

And just another tip : You should never, NEVER use the old german font Sütterlin for such things,
although it was still around during those times, but only for handwriting !
(from http://www.diaware.de/html/schrift.html)
I've once seen this on an otherwise quite good artist impression, probably with the intention to
make it look even more realistic, but actually ruining the whole thing. And, worse, it was done
by a german ! :-\

 

[Flitzer]

Many many thanks Jemiba.

Great help, all of it.

And no Sutterlin, noted.

Cheers
Peter

 

[Michel Van]

the Lettertype or Font used here

must be DIN 1451
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIN_1451

most error made by many is the use of Lettertype or Font Fraktur on German WW2 hardware
because:

on January 3, 1941 Martin Bormann issued a circular letter to all public offices which declared Fraktur (and its corollary, the Sütterlin-based handwriting) to be Judenlettern (Jewish letters) and prohibited further use.

from Wiki
Futura replace Fraktur and also Sütterlin
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futura_(Schriftart)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur_(script)
Borman Letter
http://www.ligaturix.de/bormann.htm

 

[Justo Miranda]

Additional info

 

[Justo Miranda]

Additional info-2

 

[Flitzer]

Many thanks one and all.
Peter
;D

 

[Jemiba]

At the risk of being OT, but Michels (absolutely correct !) informations could lead
to the opinion, that every german document, which is dated later and still using
Fractur or Sütterlin must be a fake.
As often, something was dictaded officially, but before it became common use, several
years passed by ! Both fonts were used until the end of WW II and not only for private
use, but also from official organisations, as long as we regard schools as such (I can
prove this with my fathers documents and school reports. ;D )
But inscriptions on aircraft, I think, it was already out of use before the war, maybe it
was harder to use with stencils .

 

[Michel Van]

Justo on The ME 162 Pic are orthography errors
here correct germand orthography
Note the Big first letters and Germanic umlaut

09. "Schleppseil hier einhängen"
11. "Pressluft 130 atü"
12. "Schleppseil hier einhängen"
13. "Reifendruck 4.5 atü bei Vollast"
14. "Hier anheben" to found near front landinggear
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/001-100/walk019_Me-163/images_Ludo%20Kloek/163dm54.jpg

odd the french used a font similar to Sütterlin even in 1970's !
like on this Coralie Stage from Europa 2 rocket.

 

[Flitzer]

Another progress report on the next set.
Side view Arado ArPll.

Having posted the 'siamese' twin crew are not working on this.
Will fix.

Many thanks
Peter

 

[Justo Miranda]

Heavy!

 

[Flitzer]

Hi again
A little further with the Ta 283.
Advice appreciated please on C and T positions.

Many thanks

 

[Justo Miranda]

Very good stuff,as usual

 

[Flitzer]

Hi all again.
The next set of profiles is ready.

Many thanks to Secret Project members such as Justo, Jemiba and Michel Van for their invaluable advice and help.

The following references proved invaluable in helping me to produce these profiles.

Dan Johnson’s Luft 46 site: www.luft46.com
Luftwaffe Secret Projects: Fighters 1939-1945 by Walter Schick, Ingolf Meyer, Elke Weal, and John Weal
Luftwaffe Secret Projects: Strategic Bombers 1935-1945 by Dieter Herwig
Luftwaffe Secret Projects, Volume 3: Ground Attack & Special Purpose Aircraft by Dieter Herwig
Jet Planes of the Third Reich Vols 1 and 2 by Manfred Griel


Many thanks
Peter

 

[Flitzer]

8 MORE.

 

[Flitzer]

8 MORE

 

[Flitzer]

8 MORE

 

[Flitzer]

AGAIN 8

 

[Flitzer]

AND AGAIN

 

[Flitzer]

It's a big set this time.

 

[Flitzer]

And the last 5 to complete this set.

Many thanks again to all concerned.

Cheers
Peter

 

[son altesse]

Incredible work as usual, und an formidable inspiration for my model...thank a lot.

 

[negoshi8or]

Hello Peter,

Wow - excellent work! I have just discovered this site and are very impressed!!
Is your website down? I tried navigating there and it appears to be a "generic" search engine type page... has it been hacked?

Thanks for your help and your wonderful artwork.

Craig.

 

[Flitzer]

Many thanks for your kind comments.

Yes my site is down at the moment.
I'm re-building.
A work mate ran it for me when I was in KSA, but he has left for parts unkown and I'm back in UK so now it's run out of time, and I can't do anything.
I'm hoping it will be back soon, or at least a .co.uk version of it.
A bit of a re-think.

Many thanks again.
Peter