Convair F-102 Delta Dagger Development and Derivatives

[starviking]

Interesting Convair illustration with a 102 with externally loaded Falcon missiles and bombs.

That’s a lot of hardware! Especially the 4 Falcons! Maybe they were planning to ripple-fire them against any oncoming bogeys?

Also, the port tank on the outboard pylon seems to have a small mouth on it - any ideas what for?

 

[MadRat]

Its always struck me as odd that the 102s were mostly confined to one mission. Clearly the designers had other opportunities in their mind. I did not know about more than one tail. Did production 102s come in more than one tail version over different production blocks?

 

[BlackBat242]

Its always struck me as odd that the 102s were mostly confined to one mission. Clearly the designers had other opportunities in their mind. I did not know about more than one tail. Did production 102s come in more than one tail version over different production blocks?

As was posted earlier in this thread:

Hi!
The F-102A had a problem due to a lack of directional stability after deployment to the unit, and a modification was carried out to increase the size of the vertical stabilizer. The area of the vertical stabilizer was increased by 33%, and the leading edge swept angle was reduced from 60° to 52° 30′. This modification was carried out from the mass-produced No. 66 onwards, and the aircraft before that was also refurbished sequentially.

Source : FAMOUS AIRPLANES OF THE WORLD CONVAIR F-102 DELTA DAGGER

 

[GeorgeA]

Its always struck me as odd that the 102s were mostly confined to one mission. Clearly the designers had other opportunities in their mind. I did not know about more than one tail. Did production 102s come in more than one tail version over different production blocks?

The F-102 was the first iteration of the MX-1554/WS-201/“1954 interceptor” requirement and was optimized to operate within the SAGE system to shoot down bombers. That was why it was built, and any other potential mission was clearly secondary to that.

 

[apparition13]

That’s a lot of hardware! Especially the 4 Falcons! Maybe they were planning to ripple-fire them against any oncoming bogeys?

Also, the port tank on the outboard pylon seems to have a small mouth on it - any ideas what for?

Gun pod?

 

[Hood]

Could be a camera, the RAF did play around with putting forward-facing cameras into the front end of fuel tanks.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

F-102 "Delta-Dagger"

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[sferrin]

Interesting Convair illustration with a 102 with externally loaded Falcon missiles and bombs.

Apparently they also experimented with a J75-powered F-102 but I'm not sure why. If you wanted a J75-powered F-102 you'd call it an F-106.

 

[fightingirish]

Interesting Convair illustration with a 102 with externally loaded Falcon missiles and bombs.

The source is SDASM flickr archive.

 

[Pioneer]

That’s a lot of hardware! Especially the 4 Falcons! Maybe they were planning to ripple-fire them against any oncoming bogeys?

Also, the port tank on the outboard pylon seems to have a small mouth on it - any ideas what for?

Good observation starviking !
Now that has my brain hurting....

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Pioneer]

That’s a lot of hardware! Especially the 4 Falcons! Maybe they were planning to ripple-fire them against any oncoming bogeys?

Also, the port tank on the outboard pylon seems to have a small mouth on it - any ideas what for?

Given the depiction of wing pylons, it makes one wonder why Convair/USAF never contemplated the incorporation of Aim-7 Sparrow's in place of the Aim-4's - whilst utilising the weapons bay for fuel?
Convair might have gained better export potential of the F-102 with such a configuration....

Regards
Pioneer

 

[Christopher Wang]

Some pages from a Conviar 1959 study for a strike attack F-102.

Was any thought given to installing the M61 Vulcan into the center bay as was done with the F-106 Delta Dart under PROJECT SIX SHOOTER? If so, would the center bay doors and rockets have been removed?

Also, could each of the side bays be modified to carry an AIM-9 Sidewinder?

 

[blackkite]

The F-106A fighter, modified six-shooter, has a magazine, feed system, and control unit in the Genie's mounting space, and a pack containing the main body of the M61A Vulcan gun mounted on the centerline of the rear weapon bay. It was a modification that was compatible with the Genie, but the conversion was a laborious task that took more than 8 hours even for a veteran maintenance worker.

Convair F-106 Delta Dart Ideas and Inspiration

Convair F-106 Delta Dart Ideas and Inspiration

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[Ivan Culjak]

The F-102 Delta Dagger had a three-segment internal weapons bay under the fuselage for up to six AIM-4 Falcons. Were there ever plans / proposals to replace the six AIM-4 Falcons with perhaps three AIM-9 Sidewinders? I assume that one AIM-9 Sidewinder would take the space of two AIM-4 Falcons.

But why to do that..with an internal weapon bay, Dagger could go in a direction of stealth ....joke ..
But this is a beutiful aircraft, just like name Delta Dagger

 

[NMaude]

But this is a beutiful aircraft, just like name Delta Dagger

I think the Delta Dart is better looking.

 

[BlackBat242]

That belongs in the F-106 thread, not the F-102 one.

 

[Christopher Wang]

The F-106A fighter, modified six-shooter, has a magazine, feed system, and control unit in the Genie's mounting space, and a pack containing the main body of the M61A Vulcan gun mounted on the centerline of the rear weapon bay. It was a modification that was compatible with the Genie, but the conversion was a laborious task that took more than 8 hours even for a veteran maintenance worker.

Convair F-106 Delta Dart Ideas and Inspiration

Convair F-106 Delta Dart Ideas and Inspiration

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Were there ever any plans or was it even possible to fit the same M61 Vulcan cannon pack into the F-102 Delta Dagger's center bay?

 

[Christopher Wang]

Here's a comparison of the proposed fighter-bomber loadouts for the F-102 Delta Dagger (top) and F-106 Delta Dart (bottom):

SOURCE: Hemphill, T. M. (1959, June). F102 Strike Attack Airplane Miscellaneous Studies (Report No. ZP8-063). San Diego, CA: Convair. Retrieved from https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...development-and-derivatives.20543/post-675871


SOURCE: Barbier, D. (2017). World's Fastest Single-Engine Jet Aircraft: The Story of Convair's F-106 Delta Dart Interceptor. Specialty Press.

 

[blackkite]

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"Conceptual JASDF/Convair F-106J’s from the 101st SQ 3rd AW: During the 1960s Convair attempted to interest foreign customers in the F-106 Delta Dart. Proposals were issued to Canada, West Germany, and Japan. None were sold to allies. Erik Simonsen photo/illustration. The Delta Dart was never exported to foreign air forces. There was a proposal for an F-106 version for Japan (F-106J) with an MG-10 fire control system (the same one that was fitted to the F-102A Delta Dagger) and six Super Falcon missiles. It was also to have ground-attack capability, with a pair of pylons underneath each wing capable of carrying bombs or fuel tanks. The Japanese sale never took place and several years later Japan undertook manufacture of the F-4EJ Phantom. A pair of F-106's were displayed at the 25th Paris Air Show in June of 1963, but no customers were forthcoming. Convair tried to interest Canada in a Canadian version-not merely as in interceptor but also for the strike role. Nothing ever came of this idea. There were also plans for F-106 final assembly and production in Germany, but these plans never reached fruition."

 

[blackkite]

Hi! F-102A case x wing and case xx wing.

F-102 Case X and Case XX identicaton

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"F-102 Case X and Case XX identicaton​

Here is a reference to the difference between the Case X & Case XX.


Check the Serial number of the bird you're going to build:

Case X (flat trailing edge wing and rectangular shaped aileron): Serial numbers- 53-1790 to 56-1316

Case XX (curved trailing edge and angled outboard aileron edge): serial numbers 56-1317 to 57-0909

Sometimes you see the Serial number with a "0" proceeding it (most of the ANG birds from the 70s) for example "0-70909" would be 57-0909. "

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

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