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A bit of background via the 21st Century Tribal Class thread:
kitnut617 said:
And Canada has followed suit ----

nationalpost.com

Design by British firm BAE picked for Canada’s $60B warship replacement program

The Canadian Surface Combatant project will see the Halifax-based Irving build 15 warships, which will form the backbone of the future Royal Canadian Navy
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TomS said:
We didn't have an update on the Canadian program, so here it is. Contract awarded a year ago, after the courts found that one of the losing bidders didn't have standing to protest (Not sure how that works -- if anyone would have standing, surely it would be a party to the competition. But I'm no lawyer, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ).

news.usni.org

Canada Confirms Type 26 Design for Surface Combatant Program After Legal Tussle - USNI News

A Lockheed Martin-led industry team was selected for the final design of the Royal Canadian Navy’s future frigate after surviving a legal challenge by a rival contender. Officials in Ottawa confirmed that BAE Systems’ Type 26 Global Combat Ship will provide the template for the Canadian Surface...
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TomS said:
timmymagic said:
TomS said:
It's been selected for the Canadian Type 26, at least.
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Has that been confirmed with a contract?
Presumably as LM are the Prime for Canada?
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Now with an official press release:

www.navalnews.com

MBDA Confirms Sea Ceptor Order for Canadian Surface Combatant - Naval News

MBDA has been awarded a contract by Lockheed Martin Canada to equip the Royal Canadian Navy's new Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) with the Sea Ceptor air defence weapon system.
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Utilising the Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) as its effector, Sea Ceptor will undertake the Close-In Air Defence System (CIADS) role on-board the new CSC frigates.


Sea Ceptor provides exceptional self-defence performance, with a rapid response time and a high rate of fire to defeat multiple threats simultaneously. Its state-of-the-art Soft Vertical Launch (SVL) technology enables full 360° coverage with close range performance normally only associated with trainable launcher systems. Sea Ceptor will be integrated with Lockheed Martin Canada’s Combat Management System 330 (CMS 330) as part of a multi-tier air defence capability. The CAMM missiles will be quad packed in Lockheed Martin’s Extensible Launcher System (ExLS), which is part of the Mk41 family of vertical launcher systems.
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Leonardo will supply to Lockheed Martin Canada four OTO 127/64 LightWeight (LW) Vulcano naval guns, including the Automatic Ammunition Handling System (AAHS) as an optional solution, for the new Canadian Surface Combatants (CSC), which will be built by Irving Shipbuilding Inc. at the Halifax shipyard in Nova Scotia. The first three systems will be installed on-board the new naval units, while the fourth will be used for training activities.

t.co

Leonardo to supply systems for the Royal Canadian Navy’s new Canadian Surface Combatants

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1385242103836463106
View: https://twitter.com/LDO_Canada/status/1385242103836463106
 
Leonardo has taken some noticeable wins off the 5" market lately.
 
WASHINGTON, May 10, 2021 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Canada of AEGIS Combat System and related equipment for an estimated cost of $1.7 billion.

The Government of Canada has requested to buy four (4) Shipsets of the AEGIS Combat System (ACS); one (1) AEGIS Combat System Computer Program; four (4) Shipsets of AN/SPY-7 Solid State Radar Components; four (4) Shipsets of Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC); and three (3) Shipsets of the MK 41 Vertical Launch System.

Canada – AEGIS Combat System | Defense Security Cooperation Agency

www.dsca.mil www.dsca.mil

 
www.ultra.group

Ultra secures follow-on order for Canadian Surface Combatant Hull Mounted Sonar from Lockheed Martin Canada Inc. | Ultra

www.ultra.group www.ultra.group

Ultra secures follow-on order for Canadian Surface Combatant Hull Mounted Sonar from Lockheed Martin Canada Inc.

04 October, Dartmouth, Canada: Ultra Electronics Maritime Systems Inc (Ultra) has secured an initial three ship set production order from Lockheed Martin Canada Inc. (Lockheed) for the supply of Hull Mounted Sonars (HMS) for the Canadian Surface Combatant (CSC) ship. The latest order is valued at circa $19.5M and further supports manufacturing jobs at Ultra’s recently refurbished and expanded site located in Dartmouth, Halifax.
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kqcke for you said:
RAM instead of CAMM
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I thought RAM was always part of the spec. Having it, CAMM, and ESSM always did seem a bit extravagant.

But this may mean LM has lost their lead customer for ExLS.

Edit: I went back and looked, and my memory is faulty. CAMM supposedly replaced RAM. Now RAM is back? But where?
 
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Maybe I'm just not seeing it on my potato phone, but I don't see RAM in the render.
 
Moose said:
Maybe I'm just not seeing it on my potato phone, but I don't see RAM in the render.
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I don't see it either. Maybe they are putting VL RAM in ExLS after all? IMG_9114 still shows the 2x3 ExLS launchers aft of the main mast, between the NSM racks.

Failing that, if they remove that ExLS deckhouse, you could reorient the NSM racks athwartships and site one or two RAM launchers aft of them.
 
Here is the 2023 version of this graphic, compared with the 2024. Lots of subtle changes in the newer version -- confirmation of Tomahawk as the Naval Fires Support missile, SEWIP Block II for ESM, Nulka as the offboard EA/decoy, CEC confirmed (and shown on the revised mast), and something that looks a lot like a Leonardo NA30S Mk2 director above the bridge (maybe for directing the 127m for AAW?)

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TomS said:
I thought RAM was always part of the spec. Having it, CAMM, and ESSM always did seem a bit extravagant.

But this may mean LM has lost their lead customer for ExLS.

Edit: I went back and looked, and my memory is faulty. CAMM supposedly replaced RAM. Now RAM is back? But where?
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RAM in Exls probaly. Maybe Lockheed did some stuff inhouse which validated that it works.
 
kqcke for you said:
RAM in Exls probaly. Maybe Lockheed did some stuff inhouse which validated that it works.
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They've been pitching RAM Block 2 as an ExLS payload for long enough, I'd be a bit surprised if they hadn't tested it on the DL.
 
Would be interresting how it impacts performance compared to the normal Launcher. Maybe others will be interrested too if its not mutch.
 
TomS said:
Here is the 2023 version of this graphic, compared with the 2024. Lots of subtle changes in the newer version -- confirmation of Tomahawk as the Naval Fires Support missile, SEWIP Block II for ESM, Nulka as the offboard EA/decoy, CEC confirmed (and shown on the revised mast), and something that looks a lot like a Leonardo NA30S Mk2 director above the bridge (maybe for directing the 127m for AAW?)

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They've also ditched the MDA (MacDonald DetWiller Associates) X-Band Illumination Radar.
 
TomS said:
Hmm. How are they illuminating for SM-2 and ESSM? Or just using active radar versions now?
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SM-2 Block IIIC and ESSM Block II don't need illumination when paired with a highly capable X-band AESA like SPY-6 (USN) or 7 (RCN), the DDGs are mainly retaining illuminators for existing stocks and as a fallback.
 
TomS said:
Hmm. How are they illuminating for SM-2 and ESSM? Or just using active radar versions now?
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Active versions.

Moose said:
SM-2 Block IIIC and ESSM Block II don't need illumination when paired with a highly capable X-band AESA like SPY-6 (USN) or 7 (RCN), the DDGs are mainly retaining illuminators for existing stocks and as a fallback.
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SPY-6 and -7 are both S-Band.
 
TomS said:
They've been pitching RAM Block 2 as an ExLS payload for long enough, I'd be a bit surprised if they hadn't tested it on the DL.
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Over on r/warshipporn someone, allegedly with contacts, has stated its going to be the Mk.49 launcher for RAM replacing the Phalanx mounts. ExLS not in the final design. Apparently data in the fact sheet is correct, renders have not been updated yet.

Wonder what happens with the contract between MBDA and LM for CAMM for CSC...
 
timmymagic said:
Over on r/warshipporn someone, allegedly with contacts, has stated its going to be the Mk.49 launcher for RAM replacing the Phalanx mounts.
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Which Phalanx?
timmymagic said:
ExLS not in the final design. Apparently data in the fact sheet is correct, renders have not been updated yet.
Wonder what happens with the contract between MBDA and LM for CAMM for CSC...
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Yeah that doesn't sound right but who knows
 
MihoshiK said:
CAMM is in an entirely different league from RAM. Ideally you'd have both.
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True, but CAMM overlaps strongly with ESSM Mk2.

Whilst I’m sad to see CAMM out of the programme, I always thought the fitting of both CAMM and ESSM Mk 2 a bit strange.

My preference would have been to cut ESSM though.
 

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