British Super-/Turbocharger Development

For comparison:

There is too much "noise" between data from totally different engines for this to pick up something like a 5>20% change in fuel economy, I have been attempting to
say this for several posts. The only way to do this is to get two engines which are basically identical and do a with carburettor / with DI.

A good example of this is the DB600, which early versions had carburettors from about 1931>1934 and the first experimental version with D.I. in 1934.

Luckily I have the datasheets for both engines from Daimler-Benz AG corporate archives in Germany, I think this is about as good a comparator basis as is
possible with aero engines of that era (similar will exist for the Jumo210, but I dont think I have the datasheets at hand for that sadly, as the Jumo documents
are less well preserved than Daimler - another mystery for discussion !). These engines also had the same compression-ratio (6.5:1), which is utterly fundamental to
fuel economy.

(DB archive ref "DBAG DB 2MA-121")

Not sure what your German is like, but you must be reasonable if reading the FT documents, but for everyone else "Doppelvergaser" = Twin-Carburettors
and "Einspritz" = Injection (lower pic = DB600 prototype with injection, Upper pic = DB600 prototype with carburettors).

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Gain is 17% better economy at full boost and 11% better at max economy with D.I over the
carburettor.

As for Radials and Bristol, Bristol put Direct Injection on the Civil-Centaurus (661) in late 1945, and found it
exceptionally advantageous. (I have the Bristol documents from Rolls-Royce Bristol archives). The best improvments were at high boost, with a
large gain in economy at max boost, and only slight at the lowest boost setting.

0.965 > 0.870 pints/bhp/hr @55.5 " HG boost 2800rpm (10% better economy)
0.540 > 0.536 " " @37" HG Boost 2500rpm (1% better economny

(Point #2 relates to the better fuel economy).

You can see there is no "rule" for the gain you`ll get, and its totally dependant on each individual
engine, its thermal and combustion characteristics. The DB has a min gain of 11%, the centaurus
just 1%, so you can see how if you use a different engine to try to compare DI to Caburettor
or single point injection, you can easily see such differences vanish in the noise. They can only
be seen reliably in data such as these tests where you convert an existing engine which is
otherwise identical from one system to the other.

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Now, without just posting my entire book here in this thread just to satisfy you, thats where I`m leaving this matter as closed. If you wish
to carry on with your original views thats totally alright.
 
Very interesting documents! Especially the Centaurus stuff.
 
... and R-4360 were so maintenance intensive that only a few trans-Atlantic airlines used them post WW2. The USAF Military Airlift Command was the biggest customer.

No. The R-4360 was a very reliable engine and per primary sources, cooled very well (statement made by a P&W representative during the the Joint Fighter Conference 1944. I strongly recommend Graham White's R-4360 book.
Reliability and maintainability are two different things. The R-4360 did require a high level of maintenance but was also reliable.
 
Do you have some sources for that? Especially its maintenance requirements vs. the R-3350.
 

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