Boeing Starliner

Space News: Boeing remains committed to space business [Mar 11]

Despite rumors to the contrary, Boeing is not preparing to exit the space business, a vice president for the aerospace giant said.

“I know there’s been some discussion about that, but it is core to the business that I run, the satellite and associated ground work,” Michelle Parker, Boeing Space Mission Systems vice president, told SpaceNews at the Satellite 2025 conference. “We are investing heavily in this area. We’re looking forward to delivering capabilities to the customer this year, next year and well beyond that.”
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I think Starliner is done. NASA really bashed (and very arrogant) Space X in the beginning now NASA has to rely on Space X. I think NASA is now relegated to only probes and space telescopes (Mars Landers, great, JWST, excellent) very sad and unfortunate, they may be done with NASA home-grown manned space flight.
 
Hydroman said:
I think Starliner is done. NASA really bashed (and very arrogant) Space X in the beginning now NASA has to rely on Space X. I think NASA is now relegated to only probes and space telescopes (Mars Landers, great, JWST, excellent) very sad and unfortunate, they may be done with NASA home-grown manned space flight.
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They will be if the current management duo get their way. NASA will be just another 'toys R us'.
 
Sad but inevitable Hydroman. I cannot see Starliner ever coming back no matter what Boeing try to do with it, even if they get it sorted it may take years by then it will be far too late and the ISS will be gone by the time that Boeing gets Starliner fixed.
 
FighterJock said:
Sad but inevitable Hydroman. I cannot see Starliner ever coming back no matter what Boeing try to do with it, even if they get it sorted it may take years by then it will be far too late and the ISS will be gone by the time that Boeing gets Starliner fixed.
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I rather doubt they would even want to try - they already lost a lot of money on Starliner project, and any attempt to fix it would cost even more, while the time limits imposed by ISS retirement plans obviously would not allow Boeing to fulfill the NASA contract.
 
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I think Starliner is almost dead,
issue of missing launcher, the last Atlas V rocket has Amazon for there Kuiper system
Wen ULA Vulcan is man ready unclear, also they overbook by DoD and Amazon

and Boeing launching Starliner with SpaceX ?
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if Boeing even launch Starliner its only few cargo flight unmanned to ISS.
but there is another contender who will bypass Starliner, do Boeing history to mismanage.

Sierra Space Dream Chaser
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N95lFqSQvU

and has the option to be manned, if NASA is willing to it.
 
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FighterJock said:
Sierra Space's Dream Chaser will be a thorn in the side of Boeing's Starliner. I do wish that NASA would allow Dream Chaser to be manned for missions to the ISS.
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Why? What makes you think it would be better?
A. It is only a cargo ship
b. It took much longer just to be a cargo ship and it might not even launch this years
c. ISS will be splashed long before it is ready.
 
There are a number of successor stations planned - albeit with varying prospects of actually seeing service. It could have somewhere to go - though I also doubt that it will.
 
Something that needs to be reminded:

[...] NASA astronauts like the Boeing Starliner’s Suni Williams and Butch Wilmore brave the profession for quite little: They make an annual salary of $152,258, according to NASA’s 2024 pay rates.
Plus, they don’t get overtime or any pay bump for the danger of the situation.
“[There’s] no hazard pay, there’s no overtime, there’s no comp time,” Mike Massimino, a veteran of two Space Shuttle missions, previously told MarketWatch. “There’s no financial incentive to stay in space longer.”
A NASA spokesperson confirmed with Fortune that they’re paid a 40-hour-per-week salary, with no additional pay for holiday or weekends—despite the fact that they’re literally at work after work.
They added that the astronauts receive incidental amounts for each day they’re in space—but since they’re on long-term temporary duty, it’s only about $5 per day. That’s about $1,430 for the entire 286-day stay.
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www.yahoo.com

The Boeing Starliner astronauts have returned to Earth after nine long months stuck in space—but their $150,000 salary won’t come with overtime

In comparison, bankers in New York make an average of $111,000 annually, without the risk of being exposed to an indefinite stay in dark, noiseless, uninhabited space.
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Edit (anecdotical):
The subject was incidentally raised by a reporter during the White House unveiling of NGAD/F-47 with President Trump acknowledging the uncomfortable truth and even offering himself to pay them a raise!
 
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Hydroman said:
I think Starliner is dead.
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I certainly hope so. Had I actually got the MAPLE job (which I did not want at all) the only thing I would have done is to buy a lemon, place said lemon in the pilot's seat of Starliner and then write my resignation letter because your incompetence will kill people. See whatever earlier post where I got asked to be a part of said $hit $how without applying...
 
If Starliner is not dead already then it is very close to dying Hydroman, I think that the sooner it goes the better. It has been a total disaster for Boeing and that they should learn their mistakes from.
 
You miss the point; it was acknowledged by a president who´s administration just signed a big check to Boeing and has administrative authority upon NASA and has signaled it will exercise its right without restraints... In other words, it opens the door for both Sunita and Buch to start negotiations on a strong term.
That was a sensible gesture from someone that is used with business negotiations and known for choregraphing every televised moment.
 
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