Boeing 747

Is there pictures of that?
There is one there (British Airways) but doesn't actually fits:

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The 747 Piano Bar - UnRoadWarrior

When I read the much debated article in Time magazine on ’20 reason’s to hate airlines’ (here is my rebuttal to the article – Why...
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Interestingly, you can see a pattern for airlines willing to recapture their customers gone into the private jet industry: more space on the upper deck with more entertainment to make again flying a social experience.
 
TomcatViP said:
Is there pictures of that?
There is one there (British Airways) but doesn't actually fits:

unroadwarrior.boardingarea.com

The 747 Piano Bar - UnRoadWarrior

When I read the much debated article in Time magazine on ’20 reason’s to hate airlines’ (here is my rebuttal to the article – Why...
unroadwarrior.boardingarea.com

Interestingly, you can see a pattern for airlines willing to recapture their customers gone into the private jet industry: more space on the upper deck with more entertainment to make again flying a social experience.
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I want to say yes, it was in an article in Smithsonian Air and Space magazine something like 30 years ago. No clue if it's up on the interwebs.
 
In early 2021 it was revealed that a Boeing 747-8 was purchased by a mystery buyer, and it now seems that we know who the buyer is. One of the Boeing 747-8 test aircraft that has been in storage for years has been re-registered as SU-EGY, and it’s allegedly going to be used as a government aircraft for Egypt.
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Revealed: Mystery Buyer Of VIP Boeing 747-8

Earlier this year it was revealed that a single 747-8 had been ordered from Boeing. It seems like this plane is headed to Egypt.
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www.telegraph.co.uk

The oldest passenger planes still in the sky

How would you feel about flying in a plane built 50 years ago? We go in search of aviation’s most venerable birds
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Even still, it’s rare to maintain and operate an aircraft as venerable as Nolinor’s 737. According to Airfleets.net, which carries records for 43 models, the only older jets still active are in the hands of cargo firms and air forces. Caspian Airlines, for example, has a 52-year-old 747 (registration: EP-CQB) that once belonged to TWA – but it is used for transporting goods, not people.
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Tehran-based Mahan Air has an A300 from 1984, for example, and has the oldest 747s still being used for passenger services (EP-MNB, born in 1989), while Zagros Airlines, also based in Iran, has a McDonnell Douglas MD-80 made in 1985. Little Eastern Airlines (formerly Dynamic Airways), based in Miami, has a 38-year-old 767, registration N605KW.
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Some -8s - Lufthansa coming into O'Hare in Chicago and the -8F departing DFW. My favorite version of the 747 lineage - the nacelles and wingtips along with the longer fuselage for a fine balance to the eye (well, mine anyway...), especially the -8F.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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That article…and the book FREE FLIGHT on the demise of the VLJ/air taxi model should be required reading.

Musk, Branson and Bezos are just the polish on the modern aerospace’s guilded age rot.

It is why I support government led efforts in case those three go the way of Howard Hughes. Bezos might get religion, Musk go insane, and Branson? Eesh…
 
After 16 flights and 30 flight hours, a Saudi royal's 747 BBJ sat on the tarmac for ten years. Now it is being scrapped.
edition.cnn.com

Brand new Boeing 747 scrapped after 16 flights

The world's largest business jet, a Boeing 747 configured as a private VIP plane for a Saudi royal, is being scrapped after having spent just 30 hours in service over 16 flights.
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This particular one was intended for the Saudi Arabian government, and specifically for the Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, but he died in 2011, just months before the scheduled delivery. The plane, which was assigned a mandatory registration code – N458BJ – first flew in May 2012 for testing, and was officially delivered in June 2012.
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In 2017, orphaned from its original purpose, the plane went up for sale for $95 million – down from an original list price of around $350 million, according to Diver. It was still empty and advertised as “ready for conversion” in a brochure that can still be found online. But it never sold.

“No one apart from a Saudi head of state is going to want a private, four-engine business jet,” says Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst at AeroDynamic Advisory. “You can’t convert just one aircraft to cargo, and nobody wants a passenger version. As a consequence, the parts and especially the engines, are worth far more than the airplane.”
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Grey Havoc said:
www.flightglobal.com

Boeing starts ‘Air Force One’ modifications of 747-8

Known by its "Air Force One" call sign when the US president flies aboard, the VC-25B are to operate as the USA's top executive transports for the next 30 years. Modifications are being done at Boeing's San Antonio, Texas facility.
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sgeorges4 said:
air force one concept from boeing image secure website, the livery is different from both the classic and the trump one

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The two future Boeing VC-25B presidential aircrafts will wear a paint scheme, which is more in line with the ones on the existing Boeing VC-25A presidential aircrafts. But a resident from Florida might call the new paint scheme "Woke Force One". :p
www.thedrive.com

Biden Dumps Trump's Air Force One Paint Job For Iconic Design

Biden has picked a livery for the new Air Force One jets in line with the existing Kennedy-era design over Trump's red, white, and blue one.
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To be fair, the livery Trump proposed wasn't half bad, actually. One could have feared much worse, bearing in mind the instigator, and in most other government flying services it would've constituted an improvement. But it should have been glaringly obvious any attempt to drastically alter something so iconic and timelessly classy as the AF1 paint job without it ending up a regression was doomed to failure.
 


President Trump, furious about delays in delivering two new Air Force One jets, has empowered Elon Musk to explore drastic options to prod Boeing to move faster, including relaxing security clearance standards for some who work on the presidential planes.

His administration has even discussed whether a luxury jet could be acquired and refitted during the wait, according to five people with knowledge of the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe closely held deliberations.
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Boeing and the USAF have lowered security clearance requirements for workers on the VC-25B “Air Force One” program. This change addresses longstanding workforce challenges and aims to reduce delays in the program.

A few weeks ago at the Palm Beach International Airport (PBI), POTUS 47 visited a 13-year-old Boeing 747-8 BBJ, formerly owned by Qatar's royal family.

IMHO this new Air Force One will just be a normal Boeing 747-8 BBJ with less sensitive systems (smaller C4I center in the upper deck, no AAR, no EMI protection, no foldbale boarding stairs in the cargo deck etc.) as originally planned, so that current US administration can use it before the end of its second term in January 2029. ;) :rolleyes:

Source (Paywall):

Boeing, USAF Lower Security Requirements For New Air Force One | Aviation Week Network

Until recently, almost all workers on the program needed a Yankee White security clearance.
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fightingirish said:
Boeing and the USAF have lowered security clearance requirements for workers on the VC-25B “Air Force One” program. This change addresses longstanding workforce challenges and aims to reduce delays in the program.

A few weeks ago at the Palm Beach International Airport (PBI), POTUS 47 visited a 13-year-old Boeing 747-8 BBJ, formerly owned by Qatar's royal family.

IMHO this new Air Force One will just be a normal Boeing 747-8 BBJ with less sensitive systems (smaller C4I center in the upper deck, no AAR, no EMI protection, no foldbale boarding stairs in the cargo deck etc.) as originally planned, so that current US administration can use it before the end of its second term in January 2029. ;) :rolleyes:

Source (Paywall):

Boeing, USAF Lower Security Requirements For New Air Force One | Aviation Week Network

Until recently, almost all workers on the program needed a Yankee White security clearance.
aviationweek.com aviationweek.com
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As I've previously posted I used to work for Boeing. One of the things I saw while there is that the engineer who sat next to me spent a lot of hours coaching the VC-25B team on how to design an ADA compliant lavatory on the aircraft, but I digress...
 
First article I have seen giving the current issues on the VC-25B

* The flight handling characteristics arising from the change to the outer mold line have been computer modelled but not validated with test flights.
* Boeing are behind on wiring because of insufficient trained staff, exacerbated by them having to redo it.
* Windows; UK based GKN aerospace have struggled to meet the demanding specification for the windows but they are expected to be validated this summer. PPG Industries responsible for the Cockpit and flight deck windows however has demonstrated 'poor performance'.
* The change to the interior layout has increased noise levels on the plane, Boeing is assessing possible solutions.
* The fuselage stringers (longitudinal fuselage braces that provide stiffness and distribute loads) have cracks and are needing to be repaired.
* In addition Co-vid related delays, manpower shortages, change of interior supplier, insulation problems, wiring design delays, and anticipated lengthy future testing programme.

www.yahoo.com

Trump Wants a New Air Force One. Boeing Has About a Dozen Problems

(Bloomberg) -- Donald Trump has come, gone and returned to the White House, but Boeing Co. still hasn’t delivered the new Air Force One jet that he’s eager to board after it’s painted in a red, white and blue color scheme of his own invention.Most Read from BloombergTrump Administration Plans to...
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I wasn't entirely serious, Airbus Mobile never assembled anything bigger than A320s. Sierra Nevada Corporation in Dayton slipped my mind, they would be a much better candidate to help out.
 
A more sane/rational president might actually decide to switch to an A380, but here we are...
 
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