Blériot and SPAD Projects and Prototypes

[hesham]

From l'Aeronautique journal August 1927,

here is a Bleriot three transatlantic aircraft project,the last two are a well known designs,fitted with
detachable boat in emergency case.

A clearer view;

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201929%2009.pdf

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a Bleriot-Zappata BZ-1.

Avia-it.com

 

[hesham]

Hi,

1- This Project was called Bleriot-Zappata BZ-1.

2- In 1934,Bleriot submitted a Proposal Project for a flying boat/seaplane
south transatlantic competition (Phase II),but it had a mystery designation ?,
it was a four engined high-wing flying boat.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201934%2001.pdf

 

[bigvlada]

So, which one is Bleriot - Zappata BZ2?

Second plane was named Bleriot Zappata Southern Cross, according to text.

 

[hesham]

So, which one is Bleriot - Zappata BZ2?

The first one.

 

[Maveric]

NO, the first picture is the Blériot-Zappata B.Z.1 ! I have the Docavia Book about Blériot with the same Illustration.

 

[Maveric]

The B.Z. 2 was mostly like the Blériot 5190.

 

[hesham]

Oh yes,sorry,it's BZ-1,I will fix it.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Bleriot-1016Z was a gull-wing monoplane Project of 1920,had a retractable
main landing gear.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

also during early 1920s,Bleriot developed a twin engined large cabin monoplane
Project,based on Model-1016Z.

 

[hesham]

here is the Bleriot 350,it was a three fuselage high-wing transatlantic seaplane
aircraft Project,powered by three pusher engines.


L'Aerophile 3/1936

From Le Fana 462,

here is a Model for Blerio-350,but with add a central fin.

 

[blackkite]

Hi Blériot 111-6,111-4, 111-1,111-5,111-3,111 and 111-2.

http://ea58.free.fr/plus/interro_poussin_ea58_suite.htm

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/cw1/bleriot111/

 

[blackkite]

Hi! 111-1 wind tunnel test model.
http://www.wind-tunnel-models.com/Wind_tunnel_model_Bleriot_111.html

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Blériot 125.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_125

https://nhungdoicanh.blogspot.jp/2011/01/bleriot-125.html?m=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHKf_R3Vuw

 

[hesham]

Hi! Blériot 125.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_125

https://nhungdoicanh.blogspot.jp/2011/01/bleriot-125.html?m=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHKf_R3Vuw

A well known and production aircraft,why ?!.

 

[blackkite]

Hi The Bleriot 110 airplane (French) : a long-distance high-wing monoplane.
Detach tail wheel when take off!!
https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc279624/m1/19/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot_110
"The aircraft's first flight on 16 May 1930 was cut short by a fuel supply problem, although no damage was sustained. After repairs, it was taken to Oran, Algeria, to make attempts on the closed-circuit distance record. Between 15 November and 26 March 1932, the Blériot 110, with pilots Lucien Bossoutrot and Maurice Rossi, broke this record three times; the final occasion staying aloft for 76 hours 34 minutes and covering a distance of 10,601 km (6,587 mi). By this time, the aircraft had been named Joseph Le Brix in honour of the aviator who had perished flying the 110's rival Dewoitine D.33.

On 5 August 1933, Paul Codos and Maurice Rossi set a new straight-line distance record, flying from New York to Rayak, Syria - a distance of 9,105 km (5,658 mi). Further records were attempted over the next two years, but when all proved unsuccessful, the 110 was scrapped."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4q2GwTKEps

 

[blackkite]

Blériot 110 pictures.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Blériot SPAD 710.
http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/bleriot_s-710.php
"The last fighter design of Andre Herbemont to bear the SPAD appellation, and intended to participate in the 1934 fighter competition, the Bleriot SPAD 710 was a single-seat, single-bay biplane embodying a number of interesting features. Of all-metal construction with a duralumin monocoque fuselage and an 860hp Hispano- Suiza 12Ycrs 12-cylinder Vee liquid-cooled engine, it had a proposed armament of one engine-mounted 20mm cannon, four wing-mounted 7.5mm machine guns and one aft-firing 7.5mm gun in the rear fuselage. Furthermore, the Bleriot SPAD 710 embodied inward-retracting main undercarriage members, a completely enclosed cockpit with aft-sliding canopy and a V-type or "butterfly" tail assembly. The initial flight took place in April 1937, and, on 8 June, 300km/h was exceeded in level flight with the undercarriage extended. A week later, on 15 June, tail flutter developed at an altitude of only 200m and the aircraft crashed, killing the pilot, Louis Massotte. Further development was then abandoned. "

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/bspad710.html

 

[blackkite]

Of course this aircraft is a S.510 fighter, a ancestor of S.710.
I can't understand outlet device which located side fuselage behind the engine.
Someone please show me what this is.
It's not a engine exhaust gas nozzle and not a radiator cooling air outlet.
I can see some small nozzles inside the device at the bottom picture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot-SPAD_S.510

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tipolog/9755416/637170/637170_original.jpg

I have a little chore, I will be off for two weeks from tomorrow. I pray for your good fight.

 

[hesham]

Oh no, no Wikipedia links for two weeks.

Even a well known prototypes are boring,we don't like it in this section,I speak a simple
language,a little known prototypes are recommended.

 

[Schneiderman]

Yes I agree, there really should be new information added, not just links to basic and well known web resources.

 

[Sherman Tank]

Just because you both have encyclopedic knowledge of everything doesn't mean everyone else does too.

 

[hesham]

Just because you both have encyclopedic knowledge of everything doesn't mean everyone else does too.

NO,that's not right,we don't want to display a well known aircraft in this section,it's
against the forum roles.

 

[iverson]

Just because you both have encyclopedic knowledge of everything doesn't mean everyone else does too.

I have a fairly encyclopedic knowledge of many things. But I agree. There should be nothing wrong with establishing context in a thread that discusses a manufacturer's output. None of the "well-known" information posted has been excessively long or tedious.

As far as rules go, I say "lighten up". We should have rules to facilitate discussion. We should not have discussions to facilitate rules. I, at least, find posts that chide others for contributing far more tedious than reading something that I may already know.

 

[Foo Fighter]

If you go too hard core in terms of rules you will lose much of the membership here and that will render the forum moot, you might as well email each other any new and obscure topics. I agree that large quotation clips from wiki is out of order but simple links SHOULD be fine. As has been said we do not all have such a level of knowledge.

 

[dan_inbox]

If you go too hard core in terms of rules you will lose much of the membership here and that will render the forum moot, you might as well email each other any new and obscure topics. I agree that large quotation clips from wiki is out of order but simple links SHOULD be fine. As has been said we do not all have such a level of knowledge.

Do we want to be yet another source of well-known info for a maximum number of readers, even those who won't contribute any useful knowledge? Me-too-pedia?
Or do we want to stay "the Mos Eisley Cantina for Aerospace Geeks"?

I have my own opinion on this, especially when the quantity of posts comes with a non-trivial cost in quality.
But really the opinion that counts is Paul MM's.


[Edit]: This discussion really belongs to the Site Feedback section. Moderators, feel free to move the relevant posts there.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a Bleriot-Zappata BZ-2,which led to developed Bleriot 5190.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201933%2003.pdf

From Le Fana 444,

here is a 3-view to it.

 

[Schneiderman]

Just because you both have encyclopedic knowledge of everything doesn't mean everyone else does too.

Its not a question of knowledge, its about this forum being something more than an index for Wikipedia.

 

[hesham]

Its not a question of knowledge, its about this forum being something more than an index for Wikipedia.

;D,I agree with that.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Bleriot-Spad Type 251 was a single seat fighter and a refine version of Type 51-4,
with unknown motor,maybe remained a Project only ?.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

the Bleriot-Spad Type-410 was a single seat sesquiplane
fighter Project,developed from Spas S 91-7 & 91-8 for 1930
C.1 competition,abandoned in favour of Type-510.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

there was unknown Project version of Spad 510,as a seaplane fighter,
with landing gear and floattability device.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

there was unknown Project version of Spad 510,as a seaplane fighter,with landing gear and
floattability device.

Actually there was a four little known versions developed from S.510.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation magazine 1968,

here is a SPAD last aircraft and Projects.

 

[Deltafan]

From Aviation magazine 1968,

here is a SPAD last aircraft and Projects.

Thanks a lot Hesham. I was looking for a long, long time for informations (drawing, spécifications) on the SPAD 510 inverted sesquiplane early project (J2), derivative of the SPAD 91/7.

 

[Bazinga]

Hi,

1- This Project was called Bleriot-Zappata BZ-1.

2- In 1934,Bleriot submitted a Proposal Project for a flying boat/seaplane south transatlantic
competition (Phase II),but it had a mystery designation ?,it was a four engined high-wing
flying boat.

http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/periodici/PDF%20Riviste/Ala%20d'Italia/L'ALA%20D'ITALIA%201934%2001.pdf

I've identified the Croix du Sud as a Late 300

 

[Bazinga]

At the risk of overlooking the obvious. I have searched high and low for a model designation of this Flight article but I found nothing. Not even in this forum, so... can anybody ID this Bleriot machine?

 

[Aubi]

Machine known only as La Vache, Cow. Factory designation unknown. From French Aeroplanes Before the Great War:

 

[hesham]

2- In 1934,Bleriot submitted a Proposal Project for a flying boat/seaplane south transatlantic
competition (Phase II),but it had a mystery designation ?,it was a four engined high-wing
flying boat.

From Ailes 1934,here is a more Info about it.

 

[hesham]

From L'Auto,here is a BZ-1 with all Info.