ATB: B-2 evolution and competitors

Was it a mistake to change the B-2 tail design from the original?
I'd argue yes.

The "sawtooth" tail was for low altitude penetration that is extremely unhealthy for a flying wing in general, and required massive redesign of the whole airframe.

Note that the B-21 is keeping the original B-2 design in terms of only a single point on the tail.
 
I'd argue - it depends.

If the current conops is for a hi-hi-hi-hi mission only (as was the original B-2) then the redesign and the GLAS is waste of time, weight and cost.

If on the other hand, a hi-lo-lo-hi mission is also in the current conops, then the redesign was not a mistake - as it is necessary for the capability to fly at low altitudes at high speeds.

I suspect that the redesign was a hedging of bets by the customer in the early 80s in case high altitude stealth was not as effective or achievable as promised.
 
The B-2 to my knowledge has not and will never fly a low altitude mission so the re-design adding the GLAS surface and the inboard elevons could be seen as a waste of funds. Now the GLAS does work very well in conjunction with the elevons to cancel out the first wing bending node, I have seen high-speed in-flight video of this in action. The B-21 has the same number of elevons but with no centerline GLAS surface since the B-21 fly's the original B-2 medium to high altitude missions.

As I have stated in other posts, a big flying on the deck is a bad idea, its not designed for it, big target and does not have high speed dash capability. When I was in the B-2 CTF for Northrop, we would fly low altitude radar altimeter calibration tests over the main EAFB runway on a Saturday at max mach of 0.85 down to 100 ft AGL. Very impressive to see this stealthy wing ripping along then pulling up, doing a u-turn then back down on the deck multiple times, pretty cool but for low altitude CONOPS, not feasible. The B-21 is the rebirth of the original B-2, just evolved.
 

B-2 builders: Prototype not needed​

The Philadelphia Inquirer, April 24, 1989.

By Mark Thompson, Inquirer Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - The builders of the Pentagon's B-2 Stealth bomber are boasting
that their computer-aided design for the revolutionary boomerang-shaped
aircraft is so good that the $500 million plane will leap from the computer
screen into the air by July without benefit of a prototype model to test the
blueprints.

"The first B-2 is a production aircraft," the Northrop Corp. said
in its just-released annual report. "There are none of the prototypes
that have been required in previous generations of aircraft."

But critics warn that the Air Force decision to begin building the
$68 billion fleet of 132 sinister-looking planes before flight
testing has even started could prove disastrous.

"I think the B-2 will crash the first time it flies," said Kosta
Tsipis, director of the Program in Science and Technology for
International Security at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
"I wouldn't be a passenger aboard it for anything in the world."

The lack of a prototype will make the planes' first flight "pretty
exciting," agreed John Pike, associate director of the Federation
of American Scientists in Washington.

"I'm perfectly prepared to see the airplane fly more or less as
advertised," he said. "At the same time, I'm equally prepared to see
the airplane crash more or less immediately."

But Capt. Jay DeFrank, an Air Force spokesman, said, "We're confident
that it will make a successful first flight." The plane's two seats
will be occupied by pilots from Northrop and the Air Force for the
inaugural flight, which may occur secretly, he said.

The top-secret B-2, successor to the troubled B-1B, has been designed to
fly into the Soviet Union undetected by radar. The not-ready-to-fly
B-2, unveiled in November, is scheduled to be operational within the
next several years, but Defense Secretary Dick Cheney said yesterday
on NBC-TV's _Meet the Press_ that full production would not start in
the 1990 fiscal year as planned.

Asked whether he would consider killing the program, Cheney replied,
"We're going to postpone actually going into full procurement because
I'm not comfortable with the program yet, there are a lot of technical
problems with it, and it is extremely expensive. And until I have time to
review it, which I've not yet had, I'm not prepared to make that
judgement."

The B-2's flying-wing design is an updating of Northrop's YB-49 aircraft,
a 1940s-era prototype bomber that the Air Force killed before production
began. The B-2's shape is naturally unstable, and the lack of a tail
means it will be much harder to control than a conventional airplane.

"It is essentially a boomerang," said James W. Kelley, a former Northrop
aerodynamicist. "Once it goes into a spin, it cannot recover."

B-2 skeptics question both the plane's radical flying-wing design, first
revealed a year ago, and the Air force's decision to save money by
going straight from the drawing board to the production aircraft.

Historically, new aircraft designs are tested with a series of
custom-built planes, each flown and modified until all major problems
have been eliminated. Only then does production begin.

But in the case of the B-2, about a dozen planes are under construction,
although not a single one has flown, several sources said.

In recent years, experts have urged the military to build prototypes
to let them "fly-before-buy," confirming the designs before committing
billions of dollars to production. Prototyping should be done "to uncover
operational as well as technical deficiencies before a decision is made
to proceed with full-scale development," the presidentially appointed
Packard commission said in its 1986 study critical of Pentagon purchasing.

But while the Air Force is requiring prototypes for its fledgling and
highly secret Advanced Tactical Fighter, it does not believe the B-2
needs them.

"It was determined because of its revolutionary technology and the
highly sensitive nature of the program that prototyping was not the best
way to go," DeFrank said. The secret nature of the program prevented
further elaboration, he said.

Others contend the plane's radical flying-wing design and high price
tag demand prototyping.

"A $70 billion program with no prototypes?" asked an incredulous Thomas
S. Amlie, an Air Force engineer at the Pentagon, who said computers
and models could not replicate the rigors of flight. "Of course we
should prototype. We ought to fly one, and wring the hell out of it,
with zero-zero ejection seats so the pilots can eject at zero
altitude and zero air speed and live through it."

Amlie dismissed Air Force arguments that there were classified reasons
why prototyping the B-2 makes no sense.

"They always say there are classified things that we can't know about
because we don't have the clearance," Amlie said. "Well, I've been in
the business for 37 years, and every time someone has told me that it
turns out they were lying."

But Northrop says its battery of high-powered computers, whose data base
contains drawings of all of the B-2's parts down to the smalles rivet,
has "systematically eliminated" most of the risk inherent in a new
aircraft design.

With the computers, design changes can be made before production begins.
Such changes are particularly painstaking aboard the B-2, where the
plane's radar-evading design requires a frozen exterior shape into which
all of the plane's systems and weapons must be crammed.

"Given all the aerodynamic and performance compromises they've had to
make to reduce the radar cross-section of the B-2, you're just
flying much closer to the margin," said Pike of the Federation of American
Scientists. "That's precisely why you need to do prototyping."

"It's very strange that they're not being required to prototype," added
Joseph V. Foa, an aeronautical engineer at George Washington University
who first studied flying wings 40 years ago. "When you have an aircraft
that's going to cost a half-billion dollars apiece, it's a good idea
to prototype.

Pike said recurring delays — the plane's first flight originally was set
for 1987 — showed that Northrop's computers had not eliminated the B-2's
problems. "That tells me this thing is no different from anything else,"
he said. "Just because it looks right on the computer screen doesn't
mean that it's going to work in the real world."

Without prototyping, the Air Force — if it discovers problems — will
argue that the $20 billion investment it already has made in the
program requires repairs instead of cancellation, Pike said.

"They're basically front-loading the program so that regardless of what
the test results are, they'll already have spent so much money on it
that it will be difficult to cancel," Pike said. "You're paying to have
the work done twice — first time to do it wrong, and then the second
time to do it right."
 
He saw a model extracted from secure box
Yeah, according to the account I heard from Keith Glenn in 1980, Steve Smith and Kent Bankus showed Northrop one of the desktop models while the on-site ASPA evaluation was occurring in December 1980. My understanding was that Jack Northrop had been unable to walk or speak for quite some time, so I am highly skeptical of all the later accounts (from people who weren't in the room, by the way) that he asked a series of sharp technical questions (that one is from Peter Westwick's book), or that it was "why God had kept him alive". Stories have a way of growing over time. Since Jack Northrop died a few months later, long before the FSD contract was awarded, there's no way he could have seen any more than that model.

As for the desktop briefing models, I don't recall anything special about the containers we carried them around in. I think what made them "secure" was the fact that everything was subject to a two-person carry rule, and special access material had to remain in sight of both parties at all times. The only exception was the US Postal System, which for some odd reason we trusted to transport special access documents, albeit double-wrapped with a note asking them to contact AFOSI immediately if it was opened accidentally.
 
I am highly skeptical of all the later accounts (from people who weren't in the room, by the way) that he asked a series of sharp technical questions (that one is from Peter Westwick's book), or that it was "why God had kept him alive". Stories have a way of growing over time.
That goes from Cashen interview to Westwick later repeated in B-2 anniversary video series. I wonder if photo was made during this historical visit (but logically yes). One should know that Northrop only could move in wheelchair at the moment. But they could stand him up for the photo as I guess.
View: https://youtu.be/NszwV48xxoc?si=FJtgsmwjYnn8E7f8
I will move some posts later to appropriate ATB topic.
 
That goes from Cashen interview to Westwick later repeated in B-2 anniversary video series. I wonder if photo was made during this historical visit (but logically yes). One should know that Northrop only could move in wheelchair at the moment. But they could stand him up for the photo as I guess.
View: https://youtu.be/NszwV48xxoc?si=FJtgsmwjYnn8E7f8
I will move some posts later to appropriate ATB topic.
Yeah, I know Cashen said it, but I remain convinced that it's an apocryphal story. I notice he starts the video by saying "As the legend goes...", which is a pretty good clue. Then he says he's relating what Irv Waaland related to him, and to the best of my knowledge, Waaland wasn't in the room either. Cashen also says this occurred in 1979. Northrop did not receive a USAF contract to study ASPA concepts until January, 1980, so...I will always be a skeptic.
 
The discussion about Jack Northrop and the YB-49 on another thread reminds me of a funny story that took place during the ASPA/ATB competition. While waiting for proposals to come in, the leader of the independent cost team asked me if I wanted to wander over to the ASD library to see if they had any cost/manufacturing data on the YB-49. When we got there and told the librarian what we wanted, he gave us a funny look and said, "You know, I've worked here for 20 years, and no one ever asked to see that stuff until this month. Now I've had five requests for the same stuff! I'll bet you a dollar that's what the new stealth bomber is gonna look like. You fuckers are getting ready to set technology back 30 years, aren't you?" We kind of stammered, and stumbled, and muttered something to the effect of "No, we're just doing a research project for the Commander's special study group", which was the official cover story. The librarian just looked at us and grinned. He knew what was what.
 

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