ASCC/ASIC/US DoD Reporting Name for Soviet/Russian/Chinese Aircraft and Missiles

[Nagumo]

AS-? KILLJOY = Kinzhal https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/s...ore-accidents-russias-reactor-powered-weapons

 

[Nagumo]

AA-11C ?

https://webcache.googleusercontent....464DF25F44BD5FFC3E+&cd=17&hl=cs&ct=clnk&gl=cz

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[Nagumo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255162160138903553

Here is reporting name FOXHOUND-D for MiG-31K

 

[Nagumo]

Tu-214R MULLET https://quizlet.com/518193528/block-5-unit-2-flash-cards/

 

[Nagumo]

HIP J2 ? http://www.16va.be/4.5_les_mi-8_part4_eng.html

 

[Nagumo]

HOODLUM D = Ka-226T

https://assets.verticalmag.com/digital/2018/V911Winter/V911Winter2018ONLINE-low.pdf

 

[CJGibson]

Tu-214R MULLET https://quizlet.com/518193528/block-5-unit-2-flash-cards/

How 'official' is this reporting name? It doesn't appear on any of the lists I've looked at. I'd expect an airliner such as the Tu-204/Tu-214 to have a Charlie name with a mission/variant suffix rather than a Mike name.

Happy to be corrected, but I'd like to see something official.

Chris

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

See MADCAP, MOSS, MAY, MAXDOME, MIDAS, MAINSTAY... all adaptations of airliners or transports to greater or lesser degree.

I don't know about MULLET specifically though.

 

[CJGibson]

True, true, but all have major airframe mods - rotodomes (Mainstay, Moss, Madcap), Large kit added (Maxdome), wings moved forward - May . Midas...hmmm...maybe...but there is a separate Candid tanker. 'Mullet' I would place in the same category as Coot-B or the various Bear versions but the Tu-204/214 hasn't been assigned an ASCC name as far as I'm aware.

Speaking of names, I've always pronounced Russian aircraft designations as 'T-U' or 'S-U' but never really bothered about this much before. Recently, especially on YouTube, I find them being referred to as ''Too' and 'Soo'. What's the correct usage? Or is this a computer reading artifact?

Chris

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

True, but there's no base ASCC for the Tu-204.

MiG and Yak were always not M-I-G and Y-A-K. But I also would say S-u and T-u.

 

[flateric]

Speaking of names, I've always pronounced Russian aircraft designations as 'T-U' or 'S-U' but never really bothered about this much before. Recently, especially on YouTube, I find them being referred to as ''Too' and 'Soo'. What's the correct usage? Or is this a computer reading artifact?

Chris

not these long 'oo''s. "Tu" and "Su" just like they are being pronounced inside full Tupolev or Sukhoi names

 

[CJGibson]

Ah, I see.

thanks

Chris

 

[Nagumo]

Aircraft Nomenclature (part 1): Russia and China – The Fighter Pilot Podcast

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FLANKER G1 = Su-30MKK
FLANKER G2 = Su-30MK2
FLANKER G3 = Su-27UBK
FLANKER J mod = Su-27SM3

 

[flateric]

As a native speaker, I have many questions...

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

MiG-25RBV = SRS-9 "Virazh" ELINT

 

[Nagumo]

BEAR H mod = Tu-95MS with underwing pylons for Kh-101 (AS-23 Kodiak) https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00963402.2020.1728985

 

[Nagumo]

CH-AS-X-11 ALBM ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1228150665446412289

View: https://twitter.com/steeljawscribe/status/1228150665446412289

 

[Nagumo]

CH-AA-10 = PL-15 https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2021/05/united-states-air-force-tactical-aviation-study

 

[Nagumo]

MUTE = Il-22PP source: AirForces Monthly 2021-08

 

[Nagumo]

CH-AA-7 = PL-12
CH-AA-9 = PL-10

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[Nagumo]

CAA-3 = PL-4

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[Rudd]

SA-29 = Verba https://quizlet.com/283255773/pqs-recce-aircraftlandsub-flash-cards/ and https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/74410462.pdf

SA-22 GOBLIN = ? tracked variant od Pantsir https://quizlet.com/308211601/surface-to-air-threat-recce-flash-cards/

Seams from published books and papers

SA-X-25 9M337 strella 10ML an SA-13 sucessor
SA-26 SA-3 upgrade
SA-27 SA-17 upgrade buk-M3
SA-X-28 S-350E S-300 upgrade S-400 supplement
SA-29 9M336 manpad 9k333 tri colour seeker VERBA can vehicle mounted

 

[Nagumo]

MARCH = probably Y-8Q/KQ-200

 

[milkalade]

Aircraft Nomenclature (part 1): Russia and China – The Fighter Pilot Podcast

This unclassified article was originally penned in 2015 for inclusion into a classified Navy tactics periodical. Juliet was wrong. …Well, okay, she was partly wrong. While a rose by any other name may…

www.fighterpilotpodcast.com

FLANKER G1 = Su-30MKK
FLANKER G2 = Su-30MK2
FLANKER G3 = Su-27UBK
FLANKER J mod = Su-27SM3

it makes no logical sense for 27UBK to be a G. It's probably a C. It also precedes MKK and MK2 chronologically so I think the author made a mistake.

 

[milkalade]

starting from 2020 IISS has attributed "Flanker M" to Su-35S. Source unknown

 

[Nagumo]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjX7faH2oP7AhWLmKQKHciaAJs4ChAWegQIBxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnatra.navy.mil%2Flocal%2Fdocs%2Fpat-pubs%2FP-1290.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2jxOP8Uloq2epHeJPgo0EY here is reporting name ADZE for CH-AA-7A (PL-12)

 

[NMaude]

AS-? KILLJOY = Kinzhal https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/s...ore-accidents-russias-reactor-powered-weapons

The Killjoy is the AS-24.

 

[TsrJoe]

Flight International, 8 January 1983

 

[Hood]

That's a strange listing considering that the 'Hoop' was assigned to the Ka-22 Vintokryl which flew 1959-64 and the Yak-30 and 32 were nearly 25 years old by 1983 as well. Was this just a case of the ASCC catching up?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

That's a strange listing considering that the 'Hoop' was assigned to the Ka-22 Vintokryl which flew 1959-64 and the Yak-30 and 32 were nearly 25 years old by 1983 as well. Was this just a case of the ASCC catching up?

No, most likely just Flight International becoming aware of them.

 

[NMaude]

I found out late last year that the NATO/US DoD reporting name for the Kh-101 is the AS-23A Kodiak.

 

[Nagumo]

here https://navyrecognition.com/index.p...ad-of-carrier-deployment.html#google_vignette and in some other sources is reporting name FULCRUM K for MiG-29K/KUB. What is FULCRUM H nad J? MiG-29M/M2 nad MiG-35S/UB ???

 

[NMaude]

The NATO designation for the 3M22 Zircon is the SS-N-33 but no idea the actual NATO name except it begins with "S".

 

[Kiltonge]

The NATO designation for the 3M22 Zircon is the SS-N-33

That's the DoD designation. It seems pedantic but it's an important distinction, DoD designations are assigned upon substantive evidence of a new system. NATO reporting names are only issued when it is confirmed in service.

The constant use of terms such as "SA-5 GAMMON" is tautologous.

In terms of missiles the NATO scheme has the advantage that it reads directly across to the naval systems; a GRUMBLE is the same thing on land or at sea instead of having to remember that an SA-N-6 is the same as SA-10.

 

[NMaude]

In terms of missiles the NATO scheme has the advantage that it reads directly across to the naval systems; a GRUMBLE is the same thing on land or at sea instead of having to remember that an SA-N-6 is the same as SA-10.

That makes sense, I've been getting the two confused. So we know what the DoD designation is (SS-N-33) but does anyone know what the NATO reporting name is for the missile?

Edit: Does NATO's website have a link to a list of NATO reporting names?

 

[Nagumo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1245409910315192322

View: https://twitter.com/dressler_w/status/1245409910315192322
here is reporting name Fencer G for Su-24M2. Is it reliable source?

 

[Grey Havoc]

Have the Tu-160 variants been given ASCC suffixes? eg the Tu-160M and Tu-160M2 or are they all Blackjack-A?

Chris

Blackjack-A was the standard Tu-160, can't remember what Blackjack-B was, but Blackjack-C was a dedicated ALCM carrier. I think Blackjack-D was the planned land-based Naval Aviation variant.

 

[Apophenia]

... can't remember what Blackjack-B was...

Blackjack-B now seems to be being applied to the Tu-160M2. I'm assuming that is a re-use?

 

[Grey Havoc]

Seems likely.

 

[NMaude]

So would I be correct that the US DoD designation for the S-500 is the SA-X-30 (Since it's still in the prototype stage)? Also does anyone know what its' NATO reporting name is?