Army Wants 'Air Droppable' Light Tank & Ultra-Light Vehicles

[Moose]

MGS uses the "low profile turret" developed for the Teledyne Expeditionary Tank, which lost the AGS competition to the CCV-L. Knocks against that vehicle included that the turret, while innovative, was cramped and the autoloader stunk. While improvements have been made, fundamentally the limits of that turret still exist.

Recall also that Stryker was intended to be an interim system with a fair number of shortcuts favoring rapid adoption over optimal performance, and MGS specifically was a "well since we can't have AGS, what CAN we do in the near term?" solution.

 

[bobbymike]

Soft Recoil Technology Could Let The Army Put Heavy Guns On Light, Maneuverable Ground Vehicles

Over the next year the Army will evaluate soft recoil gun technology on light combat vehicles starting with a pair of Humvees. Soft recoil could not only make it possible to fit vehicles with up to 155mm guns, but make light artillery more survivable in the bargain.

www.forbes.com

 

[riggerrob]

Soft Recoil Technology Could Let The Army Put Heavy Guns On Light, Maneuverable Ground Vehicles

Over the next year the Army will evaluate soft recoil gun technology on light combat vehicles starting with a pair of Humvees. Soft recoil could not only make it possible to fit vehicles with up to 155mm guns, but make light artillery more survivable in the bargain.

www.forbes.com

How much does "soft recoil" technology affect accuracy?

 

[bobbymike]

Manufacturing Tactical Vehicles On A World-Class Level - Breaking Defense

GM Defense is infusing its tactical vehicles with the same, repeatable processes for build and quality that go into General Motors’ commercial vehicles.

breakingdefense.com

 

[aonestudio]

OSHKOSH, Wis. (June 4, 2021) — The U.S. Army Contracting Command – Detroit Arsenal (ACC-DTA) announced that it has awarded Oshkosh Defense, a wholly owned subsidiary of Oshkosh Corporation (NYSE: OSK), a $942.9M contract to integrate a 30MM Medium Caliber Weapon System (MCWS) onto the Stryker Double V Hull Infantry Carrier Vehicle (ICVVA1). This upgrade will provide precision lethality capability to the Army’s Stryker Brigade Combat Team (SBCT).

Oshkosh Defense teamed with Pratt Miller and Rafael Advanced Defense Systems to deliver an MCWS that provides increased lethality, accuracy, and range while maintaining the mobility and survivability of the Stryker ICVVA1. Oshkosh will integrate onto the ICVVA1 chassis a 30mm weapon system based on Rafael Advanced Defense Systems’ proven SAMSON family of turrets. The contract calls for the integration of the Oshkosh MCWS onto three Stryker Brigade Combat Teams (SBCTs) as well as a full spectrum of system technical support, interim contractor logistics support, and integrated product support.

OSHKOSH DEFENSE AWARDED $942.9M CONTRACT TO UPDATE WEAPON SYSTEM ON U.S. ARMY STRYKER INFANTRY CARRIER VEHICLES | Oshkosh Defense

OSHKOSH, Wis. (June 4, 2021) — The U.S. Army Contracting Command – Detroit Arsenal (ACC-DTA) announced that it has awarded Oshkosh Defense, a wholly owned subsidiary of Oshkosh Corporation (NYSE: OSK), a $942.9M contract to integrate a 30mm Medium Caliber Weapon System (MCWS) onto the Stryker...

oshkoshdefense.com

www.defensenews.com/land/2021/06/03/army-chooses-winner-to-build-its-new-stryker-gun-system/

 

[shin_getter]

How capable would a turret setup on the above that at counter micro-UAS? It has airburst ammo but what about the sensors, turret response time and FCS?

 

[aonestudio]

Taiwan to test US 105mm cannons for Clouded Leopard M2 armored vehicle

According to Kelvin Chen in Taiwan News, the Taiwanese army will conduct live-fire tests of two tank guns it purchased from the U.S. in 2020 as part of a n

www.armyrecognition.com

 

[shin_getter]

Pretty old concept (2010?), does anyone know if anything have come from this?



Gun Type / Explosion protected Type
15 ton
1 in C-130, 2 in C-2
dual recoil gun, direct,indirect fire (105mm) /
/ Large mine protected
in hub motors
4/8 man (crew? Passenger?)

Purpose: Asymmetric/Island

https://www.mod.go.jp/atla/research/ats2015/image/pdf/o1-9.pdf

 

[isayyo2]

Is "dual-recoil" another way of saying soft-recoil?

 

[bobbymike]

Manufacturer Unveils New PNT Tech for Army

Manufacturer Unveils New PNT Tech for Army

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

 

[bobbymike]

Competitors Vie for Army Arctic Vehicle Contract

Competitors Vie for Army Arctic Vehicle Contract

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

 

[aonestudio]

BAE?

One of the two competing designs for the Mobile Protected Firepower, the Army's new light tank, might be light enough to be airdropped, the leader of Army Futures Command told a Senate subcommittee June 15.

"Airdrop is not one of the requirements that we're currently pursuing," Gen. John Murray told the Senate Armed Services tactical air and land forces subcommittee. "One of the vendors is significantly lighter than the other, and there could be potential there, but that's not an Army requirement."

Murray: One MPF prototype potentially airdrop-capable | InsideDefense.com

One of the two competing designs for the Mobile Protected Firepower, the Army's new light tank, might be light enough to be airdropped, the leader of Army Futures Command told a Senate subcommittee June 15.

insidedefense.com

 

[riggerrob]

At 38 tons, Ajax is not exactly a "light" tank.

 

[GARGEAN]

Weight comparable to base T-72, kek.

 

[Moose]

BAE?

One of the two competing designs for the Mobile Protected Firepower, the Army's new light tank, might be light enough to be airdropped, the leader of Army Futures Command told a Senate subcommittee June 15.

"Airdrop is not one of the requirements that we're currently pursuing," Gen. John Murray told the Senate Armed Services tactical air and land forces subcommittee. "One of the vendors is significantly lighter than the other, and there could be potential there, but that's not an Army requirement."

Murray: One MPF prototype potentially airdrop-capable | InsideDefense.com

One of the two competing designs for the Mobile Protected Firepower, the Army's new light tank, might be light enough to be airdropped, the leader of Army Futures Command told a Senate subcommittee June 15.

insidedefense.com

Yes, BAE. They've kept their footprint small and the basic vehicle without bolt-ons should still be light enough. You can bet that their reps and everyone from the 82nd involved with this mentions it any any opportunity.

 

[Lc89]

The GD prototype would weigh less if it did not use the same turret as the Abrams, which in my opinion it is a mistake to have proposed it. If this model wins, they should either create a new turret or recycle the one from the BAE prototype.

 

[jsport]

The British Army’s new Ajax vehicles ride too rough, too loud: report

Media reports of vibration and other issues impacting the program first surfaced several weeks ago but the latest report has given more detail.

www.defensenews.com

 

[jsport]

As China Declares War with US Inevitable, Army General Highlights Need for Fighting Vehicles

Coffman is not the first general to defend the Army's relevance in the Pacific.

www.military.com

 

[jsport]

Army Seeks Robots to Transport Wounded Troops

Army Seeks Robots to Transport Wounded Troops

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

 

[bobbymike]

'Really Big Deal' As Army Awards Bradley Replacement Contracts: OFMV - Breaking Defense

"This is a really big deal," said Maj. Gen. Ross Coffman, director of the Next Generation Combat Vehicles Cross-Functional Team. "So far, we've learned a lot of great lessons but we think we're on the right track." It is very important for the Army to be right this time.

breakingdefense.com

 

[Colonial-Marine]

Are the ongoing issues with the British Army's Ajax likely to influence OFMV selection in anyway? How is it that a rather mature and proven platform (a variant of the ASCOD 2) is having so many issues?

 

[muttly]

The U.S has never been happy with their air drop tanks.
Any one remember the Sheridan 155mm.

 

[Moose]

Are the ongoing issues with the British Army's Ajax likely to influence OFMV selection in anyway? How is it that a rather mature and proven platform (a variant of the ASCOD 2) is having so many issues?

Well before the Ajax news broke, GDLS was already stressing how their vehicle was not simply Ajax with a 105mm. The running gear and power pack are different, and they're being built by seasoned vets of the M1 family. Doesn't mean it wouldn't have the same or similar issues, of course.

The "how" of Ajax's problems depends a lot on details we are still short on. I hope a proper UK gov investigation, or credible investigative reporting, provides that someday. Based on the reporting so far, it's mainly a project management problem. The information you need to make the right decision can be out there and the wrong decision is still made because the person with the authority to make the call is too naive, overwhelmed, rushed, disinterested, or just plain stupid to do the legwork.

 

[shin_getter]

Were just digging around ideas on this topic....and I hit

combatreform....

Still, the pitch of fielding 106mm RR as interim light direct fire solution seems interesting and would be far more available than say XM-8.

The T114 BAT turret on a modern vehicle should enable good HE capability with a small development time and no exposed crews. (may even fit on a heliborn vehicle) A Raven gun can be the longer term objective.

It doesn't seem worthwhile to have a completely new vehicle type to extend dumb-fire HE range a bit. AT fires can be done with better with Javelin on a RWS as 105mm does not defeat MBT threats.

Is "dual-recoil" another way of saying soft-recoil?

The gun mounting absorbs part of the recoil by shifting back. This lowers ROF but reduces impulse, and adds weight and cost. The system is used in the following ww2 guns

21 cm Mörser 18 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

17 cm Kanone 18 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[jsport]

Polaris unveils newest light tactical vehicle at London defense show

MRZR Alpha gets global debut at London-based defense exhibition DSEI kicking off Sept. 14 as European countries seek capability to enhance light infantry forces.

www.defensenews.com

 

[bobbymike]

DSEI NEWS Robotics Manufacturer Debuts New Autonomous Vehicle Concept

DSEI NEWS Robotics Manufacturer Debuts New Autonomous Vehicle Concept

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

 

[uk 75]

I think the UK had the best approach in the 70s with its CVRT family. They fit easily inside a C130 (originally AW681) or underneath a CH47/53.
Changes in UK Defence Policy after 1967 meant they went to Germany as recce/armoured cav. But they could have re-equipped the three airportable brigades effectively.
They relied on the Swingfire ATGW vehicle (Striker) to deal with MBTs but the 76mm gun (Scorpion) and 30mm cannon (Scimitar) could handle other stuff. Light and fast they could go places (Falklands) that Chieftains and FV432 could not.
A modern equivalent would suit the UK well.

 

[seruriermarshal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1441322127936811018

View: https://twitter.com/ronkainen7k15/status/1441322127936811018

 

[UpForce]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsVVZPQ540


GM ISV

 

[shin_getter]

Pratt Miller integrates robotic vehicle with new Stryker turret

Pratt Miller unveiled a variant of its Expeditionary Modular Autonomous Vehicle (EMAV) equipped with a 30mm cannon turret from Oshkosh Defense. The new variant of an unnamed ground vehicle was unveiled during this year's Bushmaster Users Conference in Arizona. The new UGV, known as the...

defence-blog.com

EMAV was designed with a narrow hull to ensure it is transportable in the V-22 and CH-47.

Can this really fit?

 

[Fluff]

Pratt Miller integrates robotic vehicle with new Stryker turret

Pratt Miller unveiled a variant of its Expeditionary Modular Autonomous Vehicle (EMAV) equipped with a 30mm cannon turret from Oshkosh Defense. The new variant of an unnamed ground vehicle was unveiled during this year's Bushmaster Users Conference in Arizona. The new UGV, known as the...

defence-blog.com

View attachment 665754

EMAV was designed with a narrow hull to ensure it is transportable in the V-22 and CH-47.

Can this really fit?

Looks like a Matilda.

 

[bobbymike]

Pratt Miller integrates robotic vehicle with new Stryker turret

Pratt Miller unveiled a variant of its Expeditionary Modular Autonomous Vehicle (EMAV) equipped with a 30mm cannon turret from Oshkosh Defense. The new variant of an unnamed ground vehicle was unveiled during this year's Bushmaster Users Conference in Arizona. The new UGV, known as the...

defence-blog.com

View attachment 665754

EMAV was designed with a narrow hull to ensure it is transportable in the V-22 and CH-47.

Can this really fit?

Looks like a Matilda.

Just waltzing around the battlefield

 

[Foo Fighter]

Like a Matilda on some really bad steroids.....

 

[aonestudio]

US Army’s light tank competition enters final stretch

Two competing light tank prototypes are moving into a U.S. Army limited user test, marking the final step before the service chooses just one to build for its Infantry Brigade Combat Teams.

www.defensenews.com

 

[bobbymike]

Under New leadership, AM General Looking to Transform JLTV Platforms

Under New leadership, AM General Looking to Transform JLTV Platforms

www.nationaldefensemagazine.org

 

[bobbymike]

US Army’s light tank competition enters final stretch

Two competing light tank prototypes are moving into a U.S. Army limited user test, marking the final step before the service chooses just one to build for its Infantry Brigade Combat Teams.

www.defensenews.com

 

[uk 75]

Pratt Miller integrates robotic vehicle with new Stryker turret

Pratt Miller unveiled a variant of its Expeditionary Modular Autonomous Vehicle (EMAV) equipped with a 30mm cannon turret from Oshkosh Defense. The new variant of an unnamed ground vehicle was unveiled during this year's Bushmaster Users Conference in Arizona. The new UGV, known as the...

defence-blog.com

View attachment 665754

EMAV was designed with a narrow hull to ensure it is transportable in the V-22 and CH-47.

Can this really fit?

At this rate the US might as well have one of these

 

[Grey Havoc]

Regarding the Armored Gun System competition, a Popular Mechanics article originally from 1988:

In May 1988, Popular Mechanics Covered the Armored Gun System (AGS) Competition

Low-silhouette, rapid-firing stealth armor is on the fast track in the Army's drive for rapid development.

www.popularmechanics.com

In May 1988, Popular Mechanics covered the Armored Gun System (AGS) competition, an effort to replace the M551A1 Sheridan light tank. The contest had come down to three companies: FMC, Teledyne Continental Motors, and Cadillac Gage. FMC's Close Combat Vehicle, Light (CCVL) would be the eventual winner, becoming the M8 Armored Gun System ( a project cancelled in 1997 and replaced by the M1128 Mobile Gun System). However, the new M8 Buford takes many elements of the original M8 and could become the Army's new Mobile Projected Firepower (MPF) vehicle, which will be assessed in June 2021.

 

[jsport]

The Army’s new infantry assault buggy is a useless garbage pile

This thing is absolute dog shit.

taskandpurpose.com

 

[riggerrob]

Like a Matilda on some really bad steroids.....

Holy huge, inset gun mantlet!
It looks like a huge shot-trap.
We thought that tank designers abandoned that configuration during WW2.