Argentinian Unbuilt Projects

[raravia]

Hi folks

I've reading about a number of non-built projects during the end of the 40's, the 50's and even the 60's, as IA-39 designed by Kurt Tank, IA-47, IA-48 a delta wing fighter, two projects called Pallavicino 1 and 2 for sure based on the Gloster Meteor, and others without number like the Horten wing fighter or IA Condor etc.

If anyone had illustrations, 3 views or something about it, please let me know.

there's a website wich have little views of some of this projects

http://www.portalaviacion.com/articulos/pulqui.html

Saludos

Fabián

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Another article, this one on the Horten brothers' work in Argentina.

http://www.cmargentinos.com.ar/secciones/Aviones/Horten/horten.htm

http://www.cmargentinos.com.ar/secciones/Aviones/Horten/ia-34_y_ia-41.htm

http://www.cmargentinos.com.ar/secciones/Aviones/Horten/ia-37_e_ia-48.htm

 

[Dronte]

I know relatively little envelope the non built projects of my own country and
I am so lazy that I have not even gone to the "Museum of the Industry" that is enough near my home to see the prototype of the PulquiII that there conserve.
On the other hand the conservation of the historical legacy of the Argentinean aeronautical industry is usually very bad or null. They have commented me
repeated times that the prototype of the Pucará Charlie is thrown being oxidized in a fallow land
A couple of projects of possible interest:

SAIA90 : http://www.hangardigital.com.ar/saia90.html

Pucará "Delta": http://www.hangardigital.com.ar/a58.htm

 

[lark]

Hello Fabian,

The Pallavicino 1 and 2 are based - April 1949 - on the
I.Aé.30 Ñamcu.
Both were to be powered by the R.R "Derwent V" powerplants of 1585kg(3.500lb)
static thrust at sea level.

Source : AeroFan-April/June 1997.No.61

Regards.

Paul.

 

[TinWing]

The Pallavicino 1 and 2 are based - April 1949 - on the
I.Aé.30 Ñamcu.
Both were to be powered by the R.R "Derwent V" powerplants of 1585kg(3.500lb)
static thrust at sea level.

In retrospect, 1949 seems to be a bit late for a Derwent powered project.

Similarly, it is amazing the Pulqui II was still powered by the Nene, long after most every contemporary British project had moved on to the axial flow Avon.

I do have to wonder if Argentina had full access to the latest British engine technology in this period?

 

[elmayerle]

I know relatively little envelope the non built projects of my own country and
I am so lazy that I have not even gone to the "Museum of the Industry" that is enough near my home to see the prototype of the PulquiII that there conserve.
On the other hand the conservation of the historical legacy of the Argentinean aeronautical industry is usually very bad or null. They have commented me
repeated times that the prototype of the Pucará Charlie is thrown being oxidized in a fallow land
A couple of projects of possible interest:

SAIA90 : http://www.hangardigital.com.ar/saia90.html

Pucará "Delta": http://www.hangardigital.com.ar/a58.htm

The Pucara "Delta" article was interesting, it could be the "little brother" of Grumman's AX entry.

Would you happen to have some good drawings and dimensions on the Martin Pescador? I've been wanting to model an Argentinean aircraft carrying this missile but information is not easy to come by, even online.

 

[TinWing]

Would you happen to have some good drawings and dimensions on the Martin Pescador? I've been wanting to model an Argentinean aircraft carrying this missile but information is not easy to come by, even online.

Martin Pescador ASM, 1979

Length: 2940mm
Diameter: 218.5mm
Span: 730mm

Weight: 140kg
Warhead: 40kg

Maximum Speed: Mach 2.3
Maximum Range: 9km

 

[Dronte]

Basically I have the same data that TinWing:

Technical data of the Martín Pescador

Weigh to the launching: 140kg

Warhead weigh: 40 kg

Longitude: 2,94 meters

Span: 0.73 meters

Diameter: 0.29 meters

Reach: between 2.5 and 9 kilometers (it depends on the launching platform)

Speed to the impact around Mach 1

Source: (data and profile of the missile) "Aeroespacio" (magazine of the Argentinean air force)

I also attach a schematic cut of a Super Etendard that includes the drawing of a Martín Pescador next to the container of guide's system that I suppose it will be you useful as reference of the proportions of the device.
I have in some place a picture of this missile installed in a helicopter Agusta 109 but I have not been able to find it.

 

[TinWing]

The Martin Pescador is roughly comparable in size to the training round version of the American Bullpup missile.

 

[elmayerle]

The Martin Pescador is roughly comparable in size to the training round version of the American Bullpup missile.

Thanks, I'd pretty much gathered that and other reading indicated that, also like the Bullpup, it needed a datalink pod for proper guidance.

Still, all quite useful information. My thanks to all who provided it.

 

[Dronte]

Finally I found the image of the version guided by wire of the Martín Pescador presented in "Armas '91".

 

[rousseau]

FMA Pulqui Ⅲ is only one I think.
If you have more, please tell me.
The I.A.43 is prelayout of HF-24 according to what I known.

 

[Skybolt]

Interesting.. Still Kurt Tank involved?

 

[Archibald]

Iae 27 Pulqui was a straight wing fighter powered by a Derwent V. It was conceived by emile Dewoitine, well-known french aircraft designer which had been an active collaborator to the Nazi and Vichy regime.
Article about the Pulqui in October 2006 edition of Le Fana de l'Aviation
Later, in 1950, the Iae 33 Pulqui II was drawn by Kurt tank but ended in failure. This same person went to India after the fall of Peron in 1954.

 

[elmayerle]

The picture rousseau posted appears to be a step between the Pulqui II and what became the HF-24. As I understand it, one of hte problems with the Pulqui II was that Kurt Tank raised the wing, relative to where it was on the Ta-183 (shoulder -mounded wing as opposed to the mid-wing configuration of the Ta-183) and this increased drag to teh steriment of performance.

 

[Dronte]

Interesting.. Still Kurt Tank involved?

Yes

http://www.aeromilitaria.com.ar/ind/aviones/ia43/index.htm

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Merged with existing thread. Rousseau, please search for existing threads before creating new ones.

 

[hesham]

Hallo,

FMA IA-60 was a Pucara airframe but fitted by two turbofan engines.
FMA IA-62 was two seat primary trainer ,powered by one 440 kw
(950 shp) Turbomeca Astazou XIVR turboprop engine.
FMA IA-59 was a pilotless aircraft.

 

[Antonio]

Don't miss Argentinian unbuilt projects on Le Fana de L'Aviation 443 (October 2006)!!!!

 

[Archibald]

Buy it some hours ago. There's the well-known Pulquis, but also plenties of fascinating stuff, including Horten mach 2 fighter!

 

[smurf]

Le Fana de L'Aviation 443 (October 2006)
Please tell me how to get this

 

[Antonio]

You can contact them here:

georgie.murat@editions-lariviere.fr

 

[smurf]

Thanks P.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

some Argentina little known aircraft:


FMA IA-25 assault glider.
,, IA-28 twin engined fighter based on IA-24 with Rolls-Royce Merlin engines.
,, IA-31 and IA-32 two seat trainer aircraft.
,, IA-54 Carancho sailplane.

 

[Dronte]

It is a shame that the Argentinean of the forum does not contribute anything, so...

Horten's first fighter proposal to Argentinian Air Force:

 

[Dronte]

The more advanced IA 37 in its two configurations and one projected all weather version of the Pulqui II

 

[Dronte]

The IA48

-Wind tunel models

-Original planes of a launchable model

-Artistic concept

 

[Dronte]

Kurt Tank's IAe36 Condor II fast transport 31/36 pass. 5 RR Nene II engines:

-Original planes

-Wind tunnel model with the original tail configuration

 

[Dronte]

IAe36 Condor II with the final tail configuration resultant of the experience with the Pulqui II

(source of all pics "Las Alas de Perón" de R. Burzaco ed.1995 -sold out-)

 

[Archibald]

Dronte those pics are superb! Very interesting... It would be nice to model this mach-2 argentinian fighter...

 

[Antonio]

¡Qué bueno Dronte!, Mil Gracias

 

[lark]

Excellent ! Thanks.

 

[Kim Margosein]

I did build one. I started with a 1/100 B-58 and lots of milliput.

Kim Margosein

 

[Archibald]

Good basis, the B-58 looks quite similar to a (much) scaled-down B-58.

what scale is your model ?

 

[raravia]

Thank you

Amazing configuration this IA 36 Condor.

Gracias

Raravia

 

[Kim Margosein]

Good basis, the B-58 looks quite similar to a (much) scaled-down B-58.

what scale is your model ?

1/72. As soon as I get a bit more comfortable with this forum, I'll post the pictures of it. I also have a 1/72 G10N.

Kim Margosein

 

[reynald.d.chatillon]

The Pulqui II was a "built" plane, even if only prototypes. Find attached some renders I did in three versions:

1st. Preliminary 3D model with proper livery
2nd. Preliminary 3D model with the colors used later by the Argentinean Sabres
3rd. and 4th. Final 3D model with the livery of the acrobatic (originally Sabre) squadron.

some of these renders were already published in the lwg3d forum.

Cheers.

p.d.: this is the proper thread/forum for the renders?

 

[flateric]

I think that if this corresponds to thread subject and 'real' unbuilt/built secret project, CGI can posted here. For photos of unofficial models, drawings and CGI images we have Scale Modelling, Fan Art & Profiles section. Good work, BTW!

 

[boxkite]

The Czech aviation magazine Letectvi + Kosmonautika # 23/1990 reported on a Argentinian helicopter projected by the company Fabrica Argentina de Materials Aeroespaciales.

Who of you knows more on it?

 

[Petrus]

Cesare Pallavicino, an Italian designer who during WW2 worked for the Caproni company designed (at least) two two-engined (RR Derwent) jets based on the Nancu long-range fighter.

Here are links to websites where you may see how the Pallavicino's aircraft would have looked:

http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/pallaviI/pallaviI.html

http://www.jrlucariny.com/Site2008/pallav2I/pallav2I.html

Best regards,
Piotr