Rockwell concept produced for the Air Force Space Sortie Vehicle study (also known as the Air Launched Sortie Vehicle). (Source: Carl Ehrlich)
Source:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1591/1
Rockwell concept produced for the Air Force Space Sortie Vehicle study (also known as the Air Launched Sortie Vehicle). (Source: Carl Ehrlich)
What? Just because they don't want to pay to use the T-Space/AirLaunch idea?blackstar said:http://www.spacenews.com/launch/110722-israel-airborne-launch-shavit.html
Israel Studies Airborne Launch Scheme for Shavit Rocket
By Barbara Opall-Rome
TEL AVIV, Israel — Faced with a requirement for heavier military spy satellites, Israeli planners have devised an airborne launch concept in which the country’s indigenously built Shavit 2 rocket would be released from a modified Boeing 747 aircraft in international airspace high above the Indian Ocean, sources here said.
Launching far from Israel’s congested airspace and hostile neighbors is emerging as the most likely of several options under review here to preserve Israel’s ability to deploy its most sensitive national security satellites aboard domestically built rockets.
Under the new option gaining traction within some sectors of Israel’s defense and space establishment, the Shavit 2 would be carried under the fuselage of a specially adapted 747 airliner, flown to the Indian Ocean, and launched from altitudes of about 12,000 meters eastward in the direction of Earth’s rotation.
Unlike the U.S. Pegasus rocket, which is dropped bomb-style from an L-1011 carrier aircraft and then maneuvers itself into its launch trajectory, the Israeli concept calls for the Boeing host aircraft to hurl the wingless Shavit 2 into its designated flight path. Sources here say the Israel Air Force aims to do this by pitching the carrier aircraft up to a steep acrobatic performance-style angle to put the space launch vehicle into its required trajectory.
MORE
Yep, they thought so too so they kept looking till they found they could over-fill the oleo's on the landing gear...blackstar said:That 747 on stilts just looks so wrong...
Yep the article noted the "issues" also. Well if the US can do it...If you read the article that I linked to you'll note that they're talking about an Indian Ocean launch. So they'd take off from Israel and then head out to the Indian Ocean... how? I suppose that flying along the Red Sea, with Saudi Arabia on your left and Egypt on your right is safer than just about any other route, but it's not going to be easy. And doing that with fighter escort? Wouldn't that be a pretty long trip in a small cockpit?
Maybe they would ask to fly out of Diego Garcia?The logistics for this are just bad unless they can find a friendly place to operate from in the Indian Ocean. But their other options are not great either.
RanulfC said:According to astronautix the Shavit itself is 59 feet long and about 5 feet in diameter:
I seem to recall that will fit nicely under the 747, and the trapeze-and-lanyard means you don't have to worry about trying acrobatics
Way smaller than the AirLaunch/T-Space vehicle
RanulfC said:Maybe they would ask to fly out of Diego Garcia?
More photos at http://www.planetspace.org/lo/dart_images.htmPlanetSpace has for many years now been working on its own Silver Dart, named after the famous Canadian aircraft. To explore the flight characteristics of the lifting body design two matching quarter scale Silver Darts will fly this year as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) with Canadian pilots at the controls.
Our 0.25 Silver Darts are turbojet powered all metal construction research vehicles flown from a mobile flight deck located in a launch control trailer. Each Silver Dart is capable of 300 + knots with retractable custom built undercarriage and flight control system.
One Silver Dart, 0.25-B is designed to accommodate rocket propulsion and will test rocket plume and aerodynamic interactions at the base of the vehicle.
No pitch-up required for the "trapeze-and-lanyard" system it automatically pitches the released vehicle to the proper orientation. It completely eliminates all the "stunt" work or extra equipment (rocket-engine-in-the-tail) "needed" for earlier air-launch concepts.blackstar said:RanulfC said:According to astronautix the Shavit itself is 59 feet long and about 5 feet in diameter:
I seem to recall that will fit nicely under the 747, and the trapeze-and-lanyard means you don't have to worry about trying acrobatics
Way smaller than the AirLaunch/T-Space vehicle
According to the article, they would still have to do some kind of maneuver--probably a pitch up climb, similar to the ALSV (look earlier in this thread for Giuseppe's neat artwork).
I think that would be really cool. I also think I would not want to be in that airplane.
As for the T-Space vehicle, I laughed the first time I saw that, but never understood why all the NewSpacers did not also laugh. There are some insane ideas that get pitched and the fanboys fail to recognize how nutty they are.
RanulfC said:Why laughing at the T-Space concept? I admit the needed modifications to fit the original vehicle (13 feet in diameter, wow) was a deal killer but the newest concept uses proven technology and proven operations so I don't see anything "laughable" about the idea. How was/is it "nutty'?
blackstar said:From a new study ...
The goal of the Flight Test Demonstrator (FTD) is to reduce development risk of a mission-capable horizontal take-off space launch system, by executing a realistic and achievable program that is directly traceable to ultimate performance, operations, and cost goals. While several existing systems have demonstrated various aspects of air-launch technologies, demonstrations of separation dynamics with large, fully-loaded launch vehicles, ground operations, efficient system integration, and safe handling of propellant are required to validate the technologies and procedures needed for the DDT&E of a routine, safe, and cost effective horizontal launch system.
Two flight test demonstration system concepts were developed to evaluate potential technology and performance approaches to meeting program goals. Program costs for both were estimated assuming that the 747-100 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) would be available at the end of the Shuttle program. The same analysis methods used for the point design vehicles to estimate system performance and life cycle costs are used here; however, the purpose of this analysis is only to provide first order feasibility to effectively evaluate test flight options, and not to offer a final solution.
Flight Test Demonstrator 1
The four-stage launch vehicle configuration is intentionally similar to a Taurus rocket and consists of a Castor 120 first stage, an Orion 50S XLG second stage, an Orion 50XL third stage, and an Orion 38 fourth stage. The wing and empennage are attached to the first stage with a strongback. All interstages, fairings and aerodynamic surfaces are composite materials. Power and attitude control subsystems are based on existing systems.
Because the gross weight of the launch vehicle is more than 40,000 lbs lighter than the Space Shuttle, structural modifications to the fuselage of the SCA may not be required. However, because the vehicle is longer than the space shuttle, the attachment points may have to be moved. Further analysis will be needed to determine whether an active separation mechanism will be needed.
Flight Test Demonstrator 2
The second concept flight test demonstrator (FTD-2), shown in Figure 26, is comprised of the 747-100 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) and a two-stage launch vehicle with LOX/RP propulsion on both stages similar to the Falcon 1e. The Falcon 1e was selected as a convenient example of a low-cost, low-risk demonstrator.
The two-stage liquid engine launch vehicle configuration is shown in Figure 27. The first stage is equipped with a LOX/RP Merlin 1C engine and the second stage with a Kestrel engine, both developed by SpaceX.
Because the launch vehicle is less than half the weight of the Space Shuttle, fuselage structural modifications may not be required. However, because the vehicle is substantially shorter than the shuttle, the attachment points will have to be moved and an active
separation mechanism may have to be added.
The wing and empennage are attached to the first stage with a strongback. All interstages, fairings and aerodynamic surface are composite materials. Power and attitude control subsystems are based on existing subsystems.
Pat Flannery said:How exactly are the boosters supposed to avoid hitting the vertical fin on the aircraft on release? You can eject them upwards pretty forcefully, but unless their engines are firing, air drag will slow them down and they will drift backwards on release.
Stargazer2006 said:Pat Flannery said:How exactly are the boosters supposed to avoid hitting the vertical fin on the aircraft on release? You can eject them upwards pretty forcefully, but unless their engines are firing, air drag will slow them down and they will drift backwards on release.
That's exactly the question I asked myself when I discovered this project. Logic would have it that a piggy-back mounted booster would require a vee-tailed aircraft.
Orionblamblam said:blackstar said:From a new study ...
... by? Boeing? NASA? USAF? Nor-Grum? Scaled? Pawn Stars?
Pat Flannery said:How exactly are the boosters supposed to avoid hitting the vertical fin on the aircraft on release? You can eject them upwards pretty forcefully, but unless their engines are firing, air drag will slow them down and they will drift backwards on release.
Fire the engine up prior to release, and the vertical fin gets cooked by the exhaust.
With dorsal mounting on the fuselage, a twin tail arrangement of the vertical fins would make more sense, getting the fin out of the way, while at the same time clearing a route for the rocket exhaust to exit over the fuselage top.
In the case of the Lockheed D-21 drone, the ramjet was fired up before the drone was released, so it left the fuselage by rising off the back of the aircraft while under power and didn't move too far to the rear during launch.
The alternative is having the aircraft basically dive out from under the booster in the way the way the Shuttle drop tests were done, but these proposals look a lot heavier for their wing area than the Enterprise was.
OM said:Stargazer2006 said:Pat Flannery said:How exactly are the boosters supposed to avoid hitting the vertical fin on the aircraft on release? You can eject them upwards pretty forcefully, but unless their engines are firing, air drag will slow them down and they will drift backwards on release.
That's exactly the question I asked myself when I discovered this project. Logic would have it that a piggy-back mounted booster would require a vee-tailed aircraft.
...Or at least a twin-tail arrangement, and arguably one where the tails aren't angled towards the fusilage, as was the case with the D-21 mishap. IIRC, some of the drag issue that helped slam the D-21 back into the mothership was caused by the inward-cantilevered tails.
Orionblamblam said:blackstar said:From a new study ...
... by? Boeing? NASA? USAF? Nor-Grum? Scaled? Pawn Stars?
...Considering lack of response, I'd say the latter is the most likely suspect. That being said, I'm surprised you haven't chimed in with a Drax clip On the other hand, there is *this* acceptable substitute for the scene in question:
flateric said:In one of 1988 issues of Soviet monthly 'Wings Of Motherland' this beast was shown as 'Teledyne Brown Engineering aerospace vehicle project'
Any guesses? Just fancy promo model I guess?
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." - Leo Tolstoy, Anna Karenina, Chapter 1, first line.archipeppe said:Strangely it resembles some similarity with this one...
flateric said:"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." - Leo Tolstoy, Anna Karenina, Chapter 1, first line.
flateric said:In one of 1988 issues of Soviet monthly 'Wings Of Motherland' this beast was shown as 'Teledyne Brown Engineering aerospace vehicle project'
Any guesses? Just fancy promo model I guess?
flateric said:In one of 1988 issues of Soviet monthly 'Wings Of Motherland' this beast was shown as 'Teledyne Brown Engineering aerospace vehicle project'
Any guesses? Just fancy promo model I guess?
blackstar said:For the other articles I managed to find some primary source material. I'd like to get some more on it from some of the people who worked on it.