Almaz-Antey S-500 Prometheus / 55R6M Triumphator-M / System 98Zh6M1

Forest Green said:
Post #226 - more than ample evidence.
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There's no doubt at all that Vitino has been hit at all. FIRMS data only proves that, and post strike satellite imagery is out there. It's likely that a Krasukha system was also damaged/destroyed as it was seen in previous imagery and those locations were clearly struck with evidence of fire and damage.....

My point was more that would the S-500 have failed to protect Vitino if it was deployed to protect the Kerch Strait bridge which is a minimum of 260km away? If it is in fact deployed at all....(suspect it is if Budanov says it is)...suspect some OSINTer's are combin through satellite imagery from Crimea and Krasnodar as we speak...
 
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Forest Green said:
Post #226 - more than ample evidence.
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Ok, so now even the targeted radar has become a communications facility...

Apart from that, that the Russians are failing to adequately protect military sites that are not directly connected to the war effort in Ukraine has been a recurring pattern. I fail to see what that says about a SAM system that may or may not be deployed in a location where it may or may not be even capable of protecting said target.
 
Trident said:
A video from an obscure source which is basically an AI generated narration overlaid over random footage of HIMARS (as opposed to ATACMS) and S-400 (as opposed to S-500), with any sort of photographic evidence of hits on the claimed target conspicuous by its absence... what reason is there frankly to believe anything it says?
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Kanal13 is a straight out propaganda channel.
I had the grave misfortune of clicking on it once in the past and realised this within seconds.
Unfortunately it is no surprise it was being viewed and reposted here..
 
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Tivaz...the Ukrainian artillery channel (the ones who wiped out the S-400 spectacularly on film) are reporting that they've hit the S-500 system with ATACMS....specifically the Yenesei radar...and allegedly there is video..
 
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As usual: I trust the Maxar satellites to valid or infirm the news.
 
Prometheus: A Trickster figure, known for his wily intelligence, who stole fire from Zeus and the gods and gave it to mortals. Zeus then punished him for his crime by having him bound to a rock while a great eagle (or vulture) ate his liver every day only to have it grow back to be eaten again the next day.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806687112521224339
View: https://x.com/UKikaski/status/1806687112521224339
Crimean Wind and other UA sources are reporting the possible destruction of a new Russian S-500 Prometheus air defense system near the Dzhankoi Air Field in occupied Crimea.
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NASA FIRMS thermal imagery shows a fire at the presumed location of the MGM-140 ATACMS M39A1 Block I missile strike which was acquired at 1300 Kyiv Time (1000 UTC) on June 28, 2024 (today).
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1806695442131866080
View: https://x.com/tom_bike/status/1806695442131866080
 
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Prometheus: A Trickster figure, known for his wily intelligence, who stole fire from Zeus and the gods and gave it to mortals. Zeus then punished him for his crime by having him bound to a rock while a great eagle (or vulture) ate his liver every day only to have it grow back to be eaten again the next day.
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"I ate Prometheus liver with fava beans, and a nice chianti" fpfpfpfpfpfpfpfffffpppppp...
 
Credit where credit is due - it lasted a whole fortnight.

rusi.org

Russia Has Just One S-500 Air-Defense System. It Arrived In Crimea Amid A Storm Of Ukrainian Rockets.

On paper, an S-500 battery includes three radars—two of which are identical to the radars that cue an S-400. The third radar, the 77T6, is optimized for detecting fast-moving ballistic missiles—like ATACMS. But the 77T6 is just a few years old and shrouded in mystery. The 77T6’s capabilities...
rusi.org rusi.org

Russia Has Just One S-500 Air-Defense System. It Arrived In Crimea Amid A Storm Of Ukrainian Rockets.​

14 June 2024
Featured in Forbes
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Mods what is going on? Is this a place to cheer on ruskies or "rules based world order"? There are obviously people with a lot of passions, probably know this conflict in a much more personal way. That said this is turning into a nafo twitter channel on all Russian equipment. Do I need to start posting flagrant Russian, Iranian and Chinese propaganda?
 
Archibald said:
Seems the news was wrong. Dear moderators, could you please the thread from @timmymagic post 125 ? https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...tor-m-system-98zh6m1.12164/page-4#post-690691
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The people claiming a hit was made at least posted some sources. What's the source for claiming it was bunk?

TMA1 said:
Mods what is going on? Is this a place to cheer on ruskies or "rules based world order"? There are obviously people with a lot of passions, probably know this conflict in a much more personal way. That said this is turning into a nafo twitter channel on all Russian equipment. Do I need to start posting flagrant Russian, Iranian and Chinese propaganda?
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A SAM system designed to defend against ballistic missiles being hit by ballistic missiles IS relevant information.
 
What's the source for claiming it was bunk?
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TBH: not confirmed by any valuable sources, a few days after the claim. For example: no photos from the collection of optical imaging satellites like Maxar and co.

More generally, in the future I will not mention such claims if they are not confirmed. Lesson learned.
 
Archibald said:
TBH: not confirmed by any valuable sources, a few days after the claim. For example: no photos from the collection of optical imaging satellites like Maxar and co.

More generally, in the future I will not mention such claims if they are not confirmed. Lesson learned.
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That can take a week or more to come out. FIRMS imagery caught a fire where the system was seen though.
 
sferrin said:
It looks like it uses ATACMS booster and flight controls but I have no idea what is is up front:

Apparently it's "Zombie" without the booster and "Black Dagger" with.

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A bit off-topic but it has just occurred to me that Zombie and Black Dagger payload sections could be modified to hold instead a variety of of scientific-instrumentation as there's a LOT of volume there. No doubt NASA could use them as guided sounding-rockets where the trajectory can be modified post-launch.
 
NMaude said:
A bit off-topic but it has just occurred to me that Zombie and Black Dagger payload sections could be modified to hold instead a variety of of scientific-instrumentation as there's a LOT of volume there. No doubt NASA could use them as guided sounding-rockets where the trajectory can be modified post-launch.
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I'm not sure how valuable the science types would see that capability.
 
Scott Kenny said:
I'm not sure how valuable the science types would see that capability.
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I suspect there probably are applications I remember reading in a rocketry journal (Or it might've been a journal of control-systems) back in the late 90s about a South Korean sounding rocket that was guided using canard steering IIRC.

Anyway I suspect that if the option is available you WILL find missions for it where a flexible post-launch trajectory is desired or required.
 
I'd say that the S-500 prototype has been put out of action. Now regards to its' US DoD/NATO reporting name I haven't been able to find its' NATO reporting name (It will begin with "G" though) but I was checking the list of US DoD designations and since that list only goes up to SA-29 I suppose the DoD designation is the SA-X-30?
 
Well, probably somebody does not understand about all the present Russian achievements, but before any discussion it is necessary to imagine who researches and does all these super-new, super-terrible and super-horrible missiles? My exact answer - nobody. In Russia there are no specialists now, because there is no education, no science and almost no production. Therefore, I can tell you exactly - there will be neither C-500, nor C-600, nor C-700 and even nor C-1000. It could be just very old C-300 and their modification C-400.

Who does not trust this, my short info. In the period 2001-2012, my small company rented an area on former Almaz-Antey territory, near their design bureau, the main developer of all the Russian main anti-aircraft systems (in 1950th in this place the Russian developments of German Wasserfale missile made with the help of captive German engineers). But in that time, I mean 2001-2012, in their design bureau, where of 90% area was rented out to business, only the old people were left, and no new research was done. The latest part of their research was remaking the old S-300 into the new S-300 missile launchers by throwing out the multiple old lamp electric cabinets (the best Soviet electronics!), replacing them to small boxes with the cheapest Chinese chips (which I saw myself in the one rest their workshop). Now they are not even able to do that, because this territory was completely closed as design bureau and factory in 2014 and transferred to another factory in Moscow (Lianozovo).
 

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