Airbus A350 Flight JAL516 incident - Haneda airport 02 January 2024

Japan Airlines aircraft is in flames on the runway at Haneda Airport (January 2, 2024)

At around 5:50 p.m., a fire broke out at Haneda Airport.
A fire has broken out near the runway and firefighting efforts are currently ongoing.
A camera installed by JNN at Haneda Airport showed that a Japan Airlines passenger plane was about to land at Haneda Airport at 5:47 p.m. when the aircraft caught fire. Currently, it can be seen that people who are believed to be passengers are fleeing from the aircraft.
According to the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, all of the more than 360 passengers are believed to have escaped. According to the Tokyo Fire Department, there is information that a Japan Coast Guard aircraft and Japan aircraft came into contact.
According to the 3rd Regional Coast Guard Headquarters, there is a high possibility that the JAL aircraft that was preparing to land collided with a fixed-wing aircraft of the Japan Coast Guard that was moving on the runway before takeoff.
According to Japan Airlines, the fire is occurring on Japan Airlines Flight 516 from New Chitose in Hokkaido bound for Haneda.
There were 367 passengers and 12 crew members on board the aircraft, but according to Japan Airlines, all of them escaped.
The aircraft that burst into flames was Japan Airlines' state-of-the-art airliner Airbus 350.
According to government officials, it is believed that there were six people on board the Japan Coast Guard aircraft, and the aircraft is "JA772A". This aircraft and JAL Flight 516 collided on runway 34R.
Passengers aboard the JAL aircraft are being evacuated by shooters.
Due to the impact of this fire, all runways at Haneda Airport are closed.
According to the Tokyo Fire Department, there are six crew members on board the Japan Coast Guard plane, and there is information that the captain of the plane is injured.
According to government officials, five of the six people on board the Coast Guard aircraft have not been contacted.

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Reported as a 'plane fire', typical bleep bleep cee. I hope they are all safe but no way to tell from the coverage I have seen.
 
@Foo Fighter
Did a journalist from the BCC accidentally run over your cat ? (I had to ask LMAO)

Hell of a bad start for Japan this year, frack. :eek:
 
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According to the Japan Coast Guard, the aircraft that may have collided is a fixed-wing MA722 Mizunagi No. 1 belonging to Haneda Air Base.

▼Former Japan Airlines Captain: "It can be said that something was wrong with two planes hitting one runway"

It is said that there were six people on the fixed wing, and one person has been contacted, and the remaining five are being confirmed.

According to the Japan Coast Guard, the aircraft was heading to Niigata to deliver supplies to areas affected by the Noto Peninsula earthquake.
 
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From The Guardian and sad news.

A total of five people who were on a coast guard aircraft at Tokyo’s Haneda airport have died as a result of a collision with a passenger plane, police confirmed, according to public broadcaster NHK.

Six people were on the coast guard aircraft, a Bombardier Dash-8, which was part of earthquake relief efforts.
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That is true Hood, when you look at the images it could have been much much worse. I am just glad that all the pasengers got of the plane safely.
 
Yeah there were fires on the A350 before it stopped but then you see shots of the passengers coming down the escape slide during the evacuation while fuel is pouring from the wing box and the engine is shooting sparks out its rear. It really was a miracle all were evacuated.

It looks like the other fires around the plane were mostly extinguished by the fire crews relatively quickly but fire in the passenger cabin above the wingbox was out of control gradually advancing up and down the plane until it completely burnt it up from the inside out.

I suppose the question is how do you fight an internal fire like that? Can you?
 
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It's like August 2005 Air France mishap in Toronto - crew training mastered to perfection. Imagine: you only have 90 seconds to evacuate 360 passengers. That's 4 passengers evacuated per second ! Must be a new record no ?
Sad for the Dash-8 crew.

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Hard lessons from the past, written in blood... poor passengers did not died in vain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163
 
WatcherZero said:
Yeah there were fires on the A350 before it stopped but then you see shots of the passengers coming down the escape slide during the evacuation while fuel is pouring from the wing box and the engine is shooting sparks out its rear. It really was a miracle all were evacuated.

It looks like the other fires around the plane were mostly extinguished by the fire crews relatively quickly but fire in the passenger cabin above the wingbox was out of control gradually advancing up and down the plane until it completely burnt it up from the inside out.

I suppose the question is how do you fight an internal fire like that? Can you?
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A few years ago, we had the chance to ride with the fire crew at El Paso and their equipment includes a boom mounted probe that is stabbed into the fuselage to put water or foam within the interior. The reach is pretty significant but looking at the footage of this incident, not sure how they could get close enough without the fires on the runway being extinguished first.

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RIP to the JCG Dash 8 crew and hope surviving crewmember who escaped doesnt have serious injuries

Btw received official statement from Airbus

Airbus statement on Flight JAL516, 02 January 2024

@Airbus

Toulouse, 02 January 2024 - Airbus regrets to confirm that an A350-900 operated by Japan Airlines was involved in an accident during flight JAL516 from Sapporo New Chitose Airport to Haneda International Airport shortly after 17:47 (local time) on 02 January 2024. All 367 passengers and 12 crew members on-board evacuated the aircraft.

The A350 collided with a DHC-8 aircraft at landing in Haneda. The Japanese authorities have since confirmed that sadly five of the six people on board the DHC-8 did not survive. The exact circumstances of the event are still unknown.

The aircraft involved in the accident, registered under the number JA13XJ, was MSN 538, delivered to Japan Airlines from the production line on 10 November 2021. It was powered by Rolls-Royce Trent XWB engines.

In line with International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Annex 13 recommendations, Airbus will provide technical assistance to the Bureau d’Enquêtes et d’Analyses (BEA) of France and to the Japan Transport Safety Board (JTSB) in charge of the investigation. For this purpose, Airbus is presently dispatching a team of specialists to assist the Authorities.

Further updates will be provided as soon as consolidated information is available and Airbus is authorised to release them.

Our concerns and sympathy go to the families, friends and loved ones affected by the accident.
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A350 flight JAL516 destroyed in landing collision with Japanese coast guard Dash-8. All passengers evacuated safely. Airframe burns to total destruction. All coast guard crew killed but one (pilot).

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www.theguardian.com

‘Miracle’ escape for passengers after horrific runway crash at Tokyo airport

Five dead as hundreds evacuated from burning passenger jet after collision with coastguard plane at Haneda airport
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A 47-year-old office worker from Ota ward, Tokyo, told the Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper that she had been sitting in the centre of the plane when she heard a huge thud. She looked out of the window to see smoke billowing from the wings, at which point she felt hot air around her face.

She said: “Smoke filled the cabin, and passengers shouted: ‘It’s on fire! It’s on fire!’”

Anton Deibe, 17, a Swedish passenger told the newspaper Aftonbladet that “the entire cabin was filled with smoke within a few minutes. We threw ourselves down on the floor. Then the emergency doors were opened and we threw ourselves at them”.

He added: “The smoke in the cabin stung like hell. It was a hell. We have no idea where we are going so we just run out into the field. It was chaos.”
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Since it's probably the first such incident involving an all carbon airframe, scrutiny will be at the maximum.
 
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TomcatViP said:
A350 flight JAL516 destroyed in landing collision with Japanese coast guard Dash-8. All passengers evacuated safely. Airframe burns to total destruction. All coast guard crew killed but one (pilot).
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Sadly, anyone who follows aviation safety knows that over the last few years runway incursions are a serious and increasingly common occurrence. Personally, surprised that it took this long for a collision to happen. That said, relieved to see all passengers and crew made it off of the airliner. Unfortunately, all but one of the crew of the smaller aircraft survived.

Since it's probably the first such incident involving an all carbon airframe, scrutiny will be at the maximum.
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From the videos and accounts it performed adequately and the crew did a good job of getting the passengers out of the jet in a way that prevented any loss of life. After that kind of collision, the jet would be a write off anyway so nothing against the construction if it burned to a hulk after the passengers safely egressed the jet. Looks like they got out in the requisite amount of time and that the firefighting kept the fuselage cool enough to buy everyone on board enough time to get out. FWIW, the firefighters did a good job and didn't run over anybody.

Don't think I'm being trite, when I was aircrew, we always briefed to watch out for them since they are primarily focused on the burning aircraft, and I've egressed two declared fire emergencies. The direction I always had from the "graybeards" was to get away from the paved surface as fast as I could and to run in the direction of help, which I did twice. After the second time the firefighting SNCO told me that he really didn't want to see me running up a runway again...
 
Yes, cabin crew actions really did save all of them. See how with the rear emergency exit blocked and central com system down, a cabin filled with acrid smokes, they still managed to get them all out safely. (I guess they had to done the hoodies what could explain the slight delay in directives noted by witnesses).

My understanding is that the plane was also leaning down with a front landing gear collapsed. So this might have been a favorable factor to hasten evacuation.

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See above the flg collapsed with a breached wheel well and the rear emergency door shut with it's toboggan inflated. Notice also the front under fuselage fire that could have trapped passengers and crew inside.

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@mkellytx Cabin crew are today sadly so underrated by the very same public they are to protect. This is a disgrace.
 
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Yesterday, in an accident in which an aircraft of Japan Airlines and the Japan Coast Guard collided on the runway of Haneda Airport, it was newly learned that the air traffic controller did not give instructions to allow the Coast Guard aircraft to enter the runway before the accident.

Just before 6 p.m. yesterday, a Japan aircraft collided with a Japan Coast Guard aircraft on the runway when it tried to land at Haneda Airport.

All 379 passengers and crew of Japan Airlines escaped in the accident, but five people were killed, including Nobuyuki Tahara (41), the co-captain of the Japan Coast Guard aircraft.

Subsequent interviews with the people involved revealed that at the time of the accident, the controller had instructed the Japan Coast Guard aircraft to proceed to the front of the runway, but had not given permission to enter the runway.

On the other hand, the controller gave permission for the Japan aircraft to land.

The National Transportation Safety Board has begun investigating the incident with air traffic controllers, and the Metropolitan Police Department is conducting on-site inspections of the runway and Japan Airlines on suspicion of manslaughter in the course of business.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznYHTTAN2A
 
The aircraft landed on a dark runway after sunset and burst into flames with passengers on board. On the 2nd, a collision between a Japan Airlines aircraft and a Japan Coast Guard aircraft occurred at Haneda Airport. After landing, smoke and heat spread throughout the cabin, and children shouted, "Get out quickly!" The flames quickly engulfed the aircraft, and the passengers were ejected from the aircraft with escape shooters. Those who escaped looked back on the tense escape, saying, "I'm glad I'm alive" and "I cried with relief."

The accident occurred just before 6 p.m. "Please take it out quickly" "Shouldn't you open it?" Immediately after the collision, which was filmed by a passenger, the voice of a child screaming desperately echoed over and over again. Outside the window is the orange color of the flames. The image of the flight attendant repeating the guidance with gestures is hazy with smoke. Having disembarked from the escape shooter, the passengers rushed to get some distance from the aircraft.

"When I landed, I suddenly felt like I had hit something with a bang, and I felt like I was pushing up," said a 35-year-old woman from Tokyo who was riding by the window. At the terminal after his escape, he said, "I saw sparks through the window and was instructed to bend over and cover my nose and mouth.

A 33-year-old man from Saitama City, who was boarding with his 2-year-old daughter as a couple, said he thought it was dangerous because of the smoke that continued to get worse after the fire broke out. On the plane, the flight attendant announced, "Please calm down," and said, "Let's protect only the child for the time being," and unfastened the seat belt of my daughter, put my head close to the floor so as not to inhale smoke, and encouraged each other to escape. "I'm glad I'm safe," he said.

My wife (29) said, "I saw the flames, everyone panicked, the smoke was so bad, the attendant lit it with a light, and I could finally see my feet. Some people were breathing heavily." He said he could hear other children crying on the plane.

A woman in her 40s = Chiba City =, a dentist, said, "The cabin was getting hotter and hotter, and I wondered if I could help it." After escaping, he and the other passengers said to each other, "I'm glad my life was saved."

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Yesterday, in an accident in which an aircraft of Japan Airlines and the Japan Coast Guard collided on the runway of Haneda Airport, it was found that the male captain of the Coast Guard aircraft said, "I had been cleared to take off by air traffic control."

This accident occurred just before 6 p.m. yesterday, when a Japan Airlines aircraft collided with a Japan Coast Guard aircraft on the runway while trying to land at Haneda Airport.

All 379 passengers and crew of the Japan Airlines escaped, but five people were killed, including Nobuyuki Tahara, 41, the co-captain of the Japan Coast Guard aircraft.

The captain of the Coast Guard suffered serious burns and is being treated, but he is conscious and told the interviewer that he had been given permission to take off by the air traffic controller.

On the other hand, it is known that the controller instructed the Japan Coast Guard aircraft to proceed to the front of the runway before the accident occurred, but did not give permission to enter the runway.

There was a discrepancy in the views at the time, and the National Transportation Safety Board is investigating the recovery of the flight recorder and voice recorder of the coast guard aircraft and the communication with the controller.

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mkellytx said:
FWIW, the firefighters did a good job and didn't run over anybody.

Don't think I'm being trite, when I was aircrew, we always briefed to watch out for them since they are primarily focused on the burning aircraft, and I've egressed two declared fire emergencies. The direction I always had from the "graybeards" was to get away from the paved surface as fast as I could and to run in the direction of help, which I did twice. After the second time the firefighting SNCO told me that he really didn't want to see me running up a runway again...
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Not trite... note the recommendation #7 in the FAA accident report for United Airlines Flight 232, DC-10 N1819U (1989):
Airport procedures and equipment: nine safety recommendations were issued on airport procedures and equipment. These recommendations addressed fire fighting vehicles and rescue/firefighting activities at accidents in crop environments on airport property.
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That is because fire trucks narrowly missed running over some surviving passengers who had walked out into the field and sat or laid down due to shock and injuries.

Firefighters and other responders also had problems finding survivors who were unable to stand and catch their attention.

Then there is the point that it took responders 35 minutes to locate the nose of the fuselage containing the cockpit and all 4 surviving flight crew (pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer, and a pilot who was a passenger aboard that came forward and operated the throttles - a critically-important part of the reason for the "mostly successful landing").


During the rescue/firefighting efforts for Asiana flight 214 in 2013 a 16-year-old girl was thrown from the aircraft, and lay unconscious on the runway. Emergency responders looked at her (visually only, no vital signs were checked) and assessed her as dead (but she wasn't) and continued to the aircraft. 15 minutes later she had been covered by foam - and then fire trucks ran over her twice, killing her. One of the trucks had been directed around her before the foam had been applied.
 
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Yes, cabin crew actions really did save all of them. See how with the rear emergency exit blocked and central com system down, a cabin filled with acrid smokes, they still managed to get them all out safely. (I guess they had to done the hoodies what could explain the slight delay in directives noted by witnesses).
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How much of that is down to the culture in Japan to be respectful and orderly ?, unlike westerners who more likely would be fighting to get their cabin bags out then photoing/videoing both the inside and outside the aircraft during the evacuation.
 
madhon said:
How much of that is down to the culture in Japan to be respectful and orderly ?, unlike westerners who more likely would be fighting to get their cabin bags out then photoing/videoing both the inside and outside the aircraft during the evacuation.
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I haven't seen that to be the case in emergencies.
 
The Japanese translation of the communication record between the control tower and the JAL aircraft, the Japan Coast Guard aircraft, and another aircraft arriving and departing from the airport released by the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism in the 3rd of January afternoon is as follows (the actual communication is in English).

17:43:02
JAL 516 (Japan Airlines aircraft that collided):
Tokyo Tower, JAL516 Spot No. 18.
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
JAL516, Tokyo Tower Good evening. Continue your approach to Runway 34R. Wind 320 degrees 7 knots. There is a departing aircraft.

17:43:12
JAL 516 (Japan Airlines aircraft that collided):
Continue to JAL516 Runway 34R.

17:43:26
DAL276 (2nd departure):
Tokyo Tower, DAL276 on taxiway C. Heading to the stop position.
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
Tokyo Tower DAL276, good evening. Drive to runway stop position C1.
DAL276 (2nd departure):
Runway stop position C1 DAL276.

17:44:56
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
JAL516 Runway 34R No landing problems. Wind 310 degrees 8 knots.

17:45:01
JAL 516 (Japan Airlines aircraft that collided):
Runway 34R No landing hindrance JAL516.

17:45:11
JA722A (Collision Coast Guard Aircraft):
The tower, JA722A is on the taxiway.
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
JA722A, Tokyo Tower. Good evening, 1st departure. Proceed on the ground to the runway stop position on C5.

17:45:19
JA722A (Collision Coast Guard Aircraft):
Head to runway stop position C5, 1st departure. Thank you.

17:45:40
JAL179 (3rd departure):
We are driving to Tokyo Tower, JAL 179 runway stop position C1.
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
JAL 179, Tokyo Tower 3rd. Drive to runway stop position C1.

JAL179 (3rd departure):
Fly to runway stop position C1 and ready for takeoff.

17:45:56
JAL166 (2nd arriving aircraft):
Tokyo Tower, JAL166 Spot No. 21.
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
JAL166, Tokyo Tower Good evening. Second, continue on the runway 34R approach. Wind 320 degrees 8 knots. There is a departure plane. Slow down to 160 knots.

17:46:06
JAL166 (2nd arriving aircraft):
Deceleration 160 knots, runway 34R approach continued. Good evening
17:47:23
Tokyo Tower (Control Tower):
JAL166, please reduce to the minimum approach speed.
JAL166 (2nd arriving aircraft):
JAL166。

17:47:27
(3 seconds of silence)

FUJI TV
 
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madhon said:
How much of that is down to the culture in Japan to be respectful and orderly ?, unlike westerners who more likely would be fighting to get their cabin bags out then photoing/videoing both the inside and outside the aircraft during the evacuation.
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Make a search on internet and you can see plenty of pictures of disorderly "Asians" exiting crashed planes with their hand luggage rolling behind them.

@Admins: can we have the label of this thread including the type of airplane. This crash is the first one involving a full cfrp aircraft. It does matter.
 
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The Airbus A350-900, JAL's flagship aircraft for domestic trunk routes, was used for JL516 flight. The number of seats on this aircraft is 369. From the announced number of passengers, it can be seen that it was almost full.

In addition, this aircraft has a total of eight doors, four on each side, and in the event of an emergency escape on the ground, an "escape slide" comes out from these doors, and passengers slide down from them. In passenger aircraft, when obtaining a "type certificate", which is indispensable for practical use, there is a so-called "90-second rule" that "all passengers and crew can escape from the cabin within 90 seconds using half of the escape doors in the cabin", and the aircraft is designed based on it.

However, according to the following JAL press release, not only was the flight full, but it was also a situation where "more than half of the escape doors were unusable".

"The cabin crew provided guidance with a megaphone and a voice to guide the passengers through a megaphone and a voice during the evacuation, and all passengers and crew members were evacuated through the three emergency exits," according to a JAL press release.
 
"First, the pilot sensed a sudden impact after landing. As a result, the aircraft veered to the right side of the runway. After the aircraft stopped, the pilot was not aware of the fire at first, but after receiving a report from the CA, he followed the prescribed procedures and instructed the aircraft to evacuate. When the pilot checked the final cabin before evacuation, there were several people who were left behind, so the captain guided the passengers to evacuate, confirmed the escape, and finally escaped through the rear left door."

"In the cabin, after the aircraft came to a complete stop, the first thing we did was control the panic of the passengers, and at that time, the CA reported that fire could be seen through the left door, reported it to the captain, received an evacuation order, and started the evacuation. Smoke began to enter the cabin during landing, and it seemed to fill the cabin."

"At the time of evacuation, the captain instructed us to escape through the left and right front doors, but the CA determined that the rear part of the cabin could not be opened because a fire was confirmed near the right door. On the other hand, the door is open on the left side because it has been confirmed that there is no fire. In addition, if the in-flight intercom or communication system (PA system) fails for some reason, the door is opened at the discretion of the CA based on case studies of daily training before obtaining approval from the captain. The reason why the other doors could not be opened is that the CA in charge of securing the doors in that area decided not to use them because of the danger they posed."

This is how JAL's management describes the process of getting out.

In addition, if you look at the local videos that have been reported in the media, you can see that many of the passengers on the flight are acting calmly following the instructions of the CA (cabin attendant). There is no doubt that the fact that the passengers were able to make professional judgments in the face of looming fear was one of the factors that created the "Miracle 18 Minutes". "We recognize that one of the factors that led to this swift evacuation was that the customer accepted our request to evacuate without baggage for safety reasons," JAL said.

In addition, five people died on the crew of the Japan Coast Guard aircraft that collided with JL516, except for the captain. The investigation into the cause of the accident will now be entrusted to investigators from the Japan Transport Safety Board (JTSB) under the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, and JAL has indicated its intention to fully cooperate.
 
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Hero Coast guard crew were on their third rotation:

In the 24 hours before the collision, the Coast Guard aircraft had already made two round trips from Haneda to the quake zone, a 3.5 hour survey of the area shortly after the magnitude 7.6 quake struck on Jan 1, and a flight carrying rescue workers that returned early on Jan. 2, the official said.
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Personally in the video above I see a touchdown 200m from the holding airplane (hence on the stopway?!) and the Dash-8 having its nav lights on (with beacon?).
Something probably went wrong with the A350 landing sequence. He should have noticed that someone was right on the runway threshold.
 
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