Airbus 300B Origins & Projects

[Stargazer]

From TsAGI's Tekhnicheskaya Informatsiya journal No.23, 1980:

 

[fightingirish]

JP Santiago's (Sentinel Chicken) blog: The Early Days of Airbus Industrie and How the A300 Got Its Name

 

[hesham]

Hi,

here is a Models to TA11 & TA9.

Airbus A340 and A330 (Jetliner History)

 

[hesham]

From Le Fana 192;

 

[Kiltonge]

Similar to foiling's 3-view above, but this time including a cross-section showing the standard nine-abreast cabin in the 6.4 metre-diameter fuselage. Max high-density capacity was to be 320 seats at 10-abreast.

Fuselage diameter was chosen to enable easy interlining with 747 baggage cans. 20 cm wider than a 777 which today flies with a similar seating configuration.

From Flight in 1967. By the launch of the A300B Airbus had compromised on 5.64 metres diameter with which they were stuck until the A350 ( and which only goes out to 5.97 m, so not really XWB... )

 

[hesham]

The Breguet Br.124.

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19660228/14/2

 

[hesham]

Hi,

A clearer view to Nord N.600;

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is an artist’s impression (supposedly) of the Airbus Industrie A300B7 design in a notional B.E.A livery; designed to attract a B.E.A order after the cancellation of the BAC 3-11 and before B.E.A placed an order for the Lockheed TriStar. Intended to be powered by 52,000lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-211-61 engines, the A300B7 would have had a larger UK content than the A300B4. The wing span was increased by 2.59 meters on each side at the wing root. The fuselage was stretched in the centre section by 1 frame. Other contemporary descriptions give a further 8 frame fuselage extension divided equally fore and aft of the wing to give a 298 passenger capacity. The development of the A300B7 ceased when the Rolls-Royce bankruptcy prevented development work on the RB-211-61 engine. © Hawker Siddeley “photograph” D.H.CN1891 (I'm not convinced the painting even shows the increase in wing-span or fuselage length & those engine nacelles don't look like RB-211s. I suspect it is an early painting of an A300B4 dressed up with A300B7 titling on the tail-fin for publicity purposes)......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is a photograph of a manufacturer's model of the third Airbus Industrie A-300 (preliminary) design of July 1968 in B.E.A livery; with the 5.97 metre (19 foot 7 inch) diameter fuselage (the same as the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10 and the Lockheed TriStar) & 2 x 57,500 lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-207-11 engines......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Stargazer]

Feels so good to have you back on board, Terry! Your posts are really... something else!

 

[hesham]

My dear Caravellarella,

your posts are very interesting,so I am right when I said; we miss you.

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is a photograph of a manufacturer's model of the second Airbus Industrie A-300 (preliminary) design of February 1968; with the 6.4 metre (21') diameter fuselage & 2 x 50,000 lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-207-03 engines. This was the largest of the preliminary projects. © Hawker Siddeley photograph D.H.16296......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Caravellarella]

Silly men :

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is a photograph of the manufacturer's model of the Airbus Industrie TA9 "project" of 1982; developed from the Airbus A300B9 "project" it eventually developed into the Airbus A330-300......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Stargazer]

here is a photograph of a manufacturer's model of the second Airbus Industrie A-300 (preliminary) design of February 1968; with the 6.4 metre (21') diameter fuselage & 2 x 50,000 lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-207-03 engines. This was the largest of the preliminary projects

Interesting. This reminds me a lot of Lockheed's proposed "BiStar", the L-1011-600.

 

[Caravellarella]

But rather larger; this second design proposal had an even wider fuselage than the Boeing 747!

 

[Stargazer]

But rather larger; this second design proposal had an even wider fuselage than the Boeing 747!

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is a photograph of the manufacturer's model of the Airbus Industrie TA11 "project" of 1982; developed from the Airbus A300B11 "project" (a version with longer chord engine nacelles) it eventually developed into the Airbus A340......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is the cover picture of a brochure for the first Airbus Industrie A-300 (preliminary) design of July 1967; with the 6.1 metre (20') diameter fuselage (the same diameter as the Boeing 747) & 2 x 47,500 lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-207 engines. This design effectively combined the fuselage of the Sud Aviation-Dassault Galion "project" with the flying surfaces of the Hawker-Bréguet-Nord HBN-100 "project"......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[hesham]

Very nice my cover,thank you my dear Caravellarella.

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is the cutaway drawing from a brochure for the first Airbus Industrie A-300 (preliminary) design of July 1967; with the 6.1 metre (20') diameter fuselage (the same diameter as the Boeing 747) & 2 x 47,500 lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-207 engines. This design effectively combined the fuselage of the Sud Aviation-Dassault Galion "project" with the flying surfaces of the Hawker-Bréguet-Nord HBN-100 "project"......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is a photograph of the manufacturer's model of the Airbus Industrie TA9 "project" of 1982; developed from the Airbus A300B9 "project" it eventually developed into the Airbus A330-300......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[hesham]

Nice find my dear Caravellarella.

 

[Caravellarella]

Dear Boys & Girls, here is a the cover of a Hawker-Siddeley brochure with an artist's impression (strangely distorted/interpreted) of the second Airbus Industrie A-300 (preliminary) design of February 1968; with the 6.4 metre (21') diameter fuselage & 2 x 50,000 lb thrust Rolls-Royce RB-207-03 engines. This was the largest of the preliminary projects......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[hesham]

A nice Project my dear Caravellarella.

 

[Triton]

Source:
http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Arts/Art3389.htm

 

[Triton]

Source:
http://amisbreguet.free.fr/Documents/AirbusHBN100r.jpg

 

[Triton]

Merge with this topic?

"Towards the Airbus - The multi-national Anglo-French Approach...... "
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12365.0.html

 

[Triton]

"Sud-Dassault Team Designs Galion Airbus as Caravelle Follow-on in Market Outside of U.S."
Aviation Week & Space Technology May 9, 1966

 

[Triton]

Artist's impression of Breguet Br.124

Aviation Week & Space Technology June 24, 1968

 

[Caravellarella]

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12365.0.html

 

[hesham]

From L + K 21/1966

 

[flateric]

teaser from the upcoming Le Fana de l'Aviation magazine - Le Bourget 2019 - hors-série aviation moderne N°12

 

[Caravellarella]

This is another case where 3 or 4 separate topics on the genesis of Airbus Industrie, Airbus' own early projects and associated pre-Airbus projects have been merged and are now a nonsense......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Hobbes]

as far as I can see it's all A300, unbuilt A300 derivatives and A300 precursors.

 

[Caravellarella]

as far as I can see it's all A300, unbuilt A300 derivatives and A300 precursors.

yes, but I had one thread each on French precursors (like the Sud Galion), one on International precursors (like the HBN-100), one on premilinary designs (the various A-300 designs) & one on unbuilt A300B derivatives (like the A300B9, TA11 etc)

 

[hesham]

From L+K 11/1977,

it's first time to me to hear about Airbus A-150 ?.

 

[Grey Havoc]

With the Caravelle’s chance spent, by the mid-1960s Beteille’s passion to ensure Europe had a seat at the table in civil manufacturing focused on embryonic plans among British, French and German companies to jointly produce a short-haul widebody twin.
By early 1968 work was gathering pace on what would become the 250-seat Airbus A300B. But a crucial decision was around the width of the fuselage. Perhaps with the Caravelle experience fresh in his mind, Beteille identified the need to establish a diameter able to accommodate standard LD3 containers while still providing plenty of width for passengers.

“The problem was that, for a given size of aircraft, there is always a technically optimum fuselage diameter,” Beteille told Flight in 1997. “In the end, we settled on the minimum diameter compatible with the lightest aircraft possible."

With some slight tweaks to ensure that LD3s fitted under the cabin floor, Beteille created Airbus’s trademark “222in” cross-section which was ultimately adopted for all the manufacturer’s (single-deck) widebodies up until the A350, and continues into the future with the A330neo.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/obituary-roger-beteille-father-of-airbus-459277/

Question: has anyone had a greater impact on the modern commercial aircraft industry than Roger Beteille?

- He instigated and led the campaign, not officially approved by the sponsoring governments, to right-size the A300 as a 250-seater powered by the CF6-50, rather than a 300-seater with the doomed RB.207, after he realized that RR was in trouble and spending UKG's RB.207 money on the RB.211. Had they stayed with the RB.207, Airbus would have sunk without trace in the RR bankruptcy.
- He quietly created and advocated for the vision that unlike Concorde or Transall or Panavia, Airbus needed to be a multi-product company and that it needed a 30% market share to be self-sustaining. Beteille sketched the concept that became the A330/340, and the vision also headed off the idea of a separate single-aisle company.
- Beteille's last assignment before Airbus was a supersonic, ramjet-powered, low-level GLCM, and he once explained that he wasn't afraid of automation. Seeing that a "me-too" response to the 737-300 wouldn't be enough, Beteille pushed for fly-by-wire in the A320 - which also enabled a common cockpit for the A330/340. Today, every bigger-then-regional jet in production is FBW, except the... errm... you know.

A true gent, too, and a great interview...

 

[hesham]

From L+K 14/1967.

 

[hesham]

Found in FlugRevue 6/1981,three designs of the german "Airbus Team", then consisting of
Bölkow, Siebel, Dornier, HFB, Messerschmitt, Flugzeugunion Süd and VFW.
Especially interesting the T-30-004 with its side extensions and paired engines above the wing.

From L+K 14/1967,there was also H-30-002 and T-25-100 ?.