alternate history

  1. uk 75

    NATO helicopter gunship for the 70s

    Although the excellent AH1 Cobra was deployed to Europe in the 1970s and received TOW missiles to help it kill Soviet armour, noone else in NATO could afford it. That left W Germany sticking six HOT missile launchers on its Bo 105 light observation helicopter and the British Army SS11 missiles...
  2. R

    WI West Germany buys British?

    The fledgling Lufftwaffe and Marineflieger appeared to be interesting in buying British in their earliest days. Of course this was the worst possible time to deal with the British, so every effort fell over. Wiki referencing Wood. The German Defence Ministry first expressed interest in the...
  3. uk 75

    US cruisers after 1991

    The US Navy in the 1980s deployed an impressive range of non-AEGIS cruisers. Long Beach was the largest and oldest of the nuclear ships and the only one to start life as a cruiser. The remainder started as frigates then became DLGNs. Bainbridge and Truxtun were one-offs followed in the 70s by 2...
  4. R

    RAAF F-104A in 1957?

    In late 1956-early 1957 the RAAF received Cabinet approval to acquire 30 F104A to equip a single sqn, this was announced publicly, but in mid 1957 this order (or approval) was cancelled and instead the RAAF ordered 40 Australian built CAC Avon Sabres. It is important to note that this order, if...
  5. uk 75

    Alt 30s Europe

    I am going to tread carefully with this one but I think it is worth a look. Instead of the Hitler regime from 1933 Germany is run by a conventional centrist party. The Weimar Republic survives. But its strong willed Chancellors still seek to overturn the restrictions of the Versailles Treaty on...
  6. K

    Divergence on the Runway: An Alternate History of Military Aviation (1956-1982)

    Quick background: I like building what-if scale model aircraft, especially cold-war timeframe and I have a collection of kits that I wanted to weave into a comprehensive story. To that end as a thought experiment I did a little alternative history. The timeline basically starts in the late 50s...
  7. R

    WI 'Dogfight' Red Top and/or Matra R530?

    In response to the demands of the Vietnam War RoE forcing 'dogfights' the US developed the AIM9E version of the Sidewinder and the AIM7E-2 version of the Sparrow, while the AIM9D had started production in 1965. WI if the British and/or French found themselves in a similar situation as the US in...
  8. F-32

    Fictional German High Altitude Interceptor

    I am unsure if this is the right forum to post this, or if SecretProjects is even the right site, but if i understood correcrly this should be fine. If this post needs to be taken down just tell me and i will remove it! I've been trying to come up with some at least partly believable combat...
  9. R

    What if the British P.1083 entered service?

    IIUC the P1083 was a Hunter with a thinner 50 degrees swept wing and an afterburner, giving it mach 1.1 performance like the Super Mystere. When it was almost ready to fly in early 1953 the RAF decided it wanted it to have a radar and AAMs, these proved to be too hard to incorporate and the...
  10. M

    Alternate aircraft in Iran Iraq war

    Let’s say Iran and Iraq are BOTH heavily sanctioned and cannot operate existing types or unable to procure sophisticated aircraft and have to rely on inferior types as parts for existing modern fleet are used up. By 1983 Iran has primarily mirage V , F-5A , A-4 and F-8 operational Iraq has to...
  11. M

    Antonov An-24 bomber

    Can the Soviets in the 1970s convert a version of An-24 as a night bomber to be used by third world countries. Whose opponents had little or no night fighting capabilities back then
  12. R

    MOTS Phantom for the RN?

    I'm putting this here because the premise is alternate reality. Its a world where the RN focuses on its big carriers, Eagle rebuilt as per normal, Ark Royal getting its 'Phantom' refit starting in 1964 and CVA01 & 02 getting started as soon as the Fearless class are off their slips at JB and...
  13. F

    more successful US vtol projects

    i have been looking at a lot of old US vtol project that had promises but it got cancelled and it got me thinking. what would happend if some of those projets succeed, and what would happenend if thay did .
  14. uk 75

    If you were Sandys or Mcnamara?

    As we have had some interesting 50s and 60s what-ifs I thought it would be fun to go for a big one. Put yourself in the chair of Sandys, McNamara or any other key Defence Minister of your choice. Now put together a better balance of options than they did.
  15. Temeraire

    Modernise Vanguard and the KGV’s for the 1980s

    In a perfect world for the British armed forces how would you modernise HMS Vanguard and the King George V class to serve in the 1980s? (Before anyone asks Yes CVA-01 through 04 are built in this timeline, so no yapping about building carriers instead, this is a perfect world for the RN, so the...
  16. R

    British 'virtuous circle' 1957 onwards?

    There have been several discussions about the British aircraft of the 60s since I started here a few weeks ago, apparently it's a never ending topic. They appear to start out technically and end financially and politically in a viscous circle of failure. In the process some interesting and...
  17. Dilandu

    Albany-class Aegis refit

    Yes, yes, I fully understood that it's impractical and unrealistic, but I just like "Albany"-class cruisers, and just before New Year I hit the idea "what if Albany-class cruiser would be refitted in 80s to carry Aegis?" Oh, and a Happy New Year) So yes, it's CG-18 "Fall River" missile...
  18. uk 75

    NATO Cobras

    The US Huey Cobra was a formidable gunship helicopter. Unlike the later Apache which has found widespread use.with NATO, the Cobra did not get much NATO use. West Germany should have been a major user. TOW equipped Cobras would have added much to Bundeswehr units. Instead the Boelkow B105...
  19. Michel Van

    NEXT Lunar Colonisation Program

    This for Alternate history Story i work on. and i need advice and help on some details. NEXT is Lunar Colonisation Program It reuse the entire Launch rocket and Lunar lander And orbital refuel for second stage for Lunar Trajectory Injection To bring 60 metric tons lander to Lunar surface...
  20. Gentleman’s Astronautics

    Man in space

    Hey fellas, I'm (planning) on making a video game, set in the late 1950s, where Britain, the USSR and the USA each have their own space programmes, the US having Von Brauns ferry rocket and space lift ops, and the Brits having the BIS', now formed as the British Interplanetary Commission...
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