Boeing F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD)

[Hanse]

Does anyone still remember this? Wonder how it looks from the front.

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I could definitely go for that bottom right one.

 

[BDF]

This video doesn't include the image that the other person posted here

I pulled it from the USAF IG account. I assumed it was an official press image. Maybe they just haven’t uploaded it yet on one of the DoD sites

 

[books]

In the in-flight picture, I think we’re seeing one canard and one wing, or else one wing and one tail.

The angles of the surfaces don’t look the same to me (maybe the canards are actuated, or movable in multiple dimensions, though it could just be a funky angle, I guess), and also I’m not positive if they’re in the same position front-to-back.

Trying to ask myself if the two pics could be the same a/c with flight control actuators deployed differently, or if they must be different. If the latter, maybe one the demonstrator and one the EMD design?

 

[Ainen]

Does anyone still remember this? Wonder how it looks from the front.

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Cockpit appears massively larger now. Or the whole plane massively smaller.

 

[Hydroman]

Boeing may have been previously selected and farther along than anyone had expected. It seems now the NGAD uncertainty plus throwing in CCAs to replace NGAD were USG ploys for disruption, domestic and foreign. I saw all of the new construction going on in St Louis during a recent Boeing trip and heard it was for NGAD.

 

[Desert Watchdog]

I pulled it from the USAF IG account. I assumed it was an official press image. Maybe they just haven’t uploaded it yet on one of the DoD sites

It was also used on the Breaking Defense article here with a DVIDS file name "250321_DVIDS_ngad_rendering_8928540-2048x1152.jpg" Though I can't find it on the DVIDS site.

 

[In_A_Dream]

Guess they bit the bullet on the cost issue, hope it's worth it:

"We can’t tell you the price, because it would give it would give way to some of the technology and some of the size of the plane."

 

[FlyGuy369]

whats confusing me is what is this? I thought it was some form of LERX before but the other image does not show one either. Im starting to think these may just be more concept art rather than representative of the real thing. Or maybe one is a concept and one is reView attachment 763770

I recall someone saying that seen the real thing that it has retractable canards. I believe it was Rodrigo avella who did a render for a client who explained it.

 

[zebra159357]

This video doesn't include the image that the other person posted here

My bad, wrong link

U.S. Air Force on Instagram: "Meet the future of air dominance! President Donald Trump, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, & Chief of Staff of the Air Force Gen. David Allvin officially announced the U.S. Air Force's 6th-generation fighter jet, the

29K likes, 480 comments - usairforce on March 21, 2025: "Meet the future of air dominance! President Donald Trump, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, & Chief of Staff of the Air Force Gen. David Allvin officially announced the U.S. Air Force's 6th-generation fighter jet, the F-47, March 21...

www.instagram.com

 

[Josh_TN]

Yeah those are obviously canards… In fact I think the wings in the other photo are hidden by the cloud or condensate. What’s visible are the canards.

It looks like there are separate canard and wing surfaces in the high res, though it could just be a color change on the wing surface.

If that’s a canard then that would give it a 6th gen Su-34ish kinda look…

 

[Josh_TN]

Cockpit appears massively larger now. Or the whole plane massively smaller.

Two aircrew?

 

[Ainen]

Two aircrew?

Yes(though maybe just better visibility downwards without bulbous cockpit), or something as big as yf-16.

 

[Desert Watchdog]

My bad, wrong link

U.S. Air Force on Instagram: "Meet the future of air dominance! President Donald Trump, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, & Chief of Staff of the Air Force Gen. David Allvin officially announced the U.S. Air Force's 6th-generation fighter jet, the

29K likes, 480 comments - usairforce on March 21, 2025: "Meet the future of air dominance! President Donald Trump, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, & Chief of Staff of the Air Force Gen. David Allvin officially announced the U.S. Air Force's 6th-generation fighter jet, the F-47, March 21...

www.instagram.com

Found it on DVIDS.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8928...t-generation-air-dominance-ngad-platform-f-47

 

[Dilandu]

Why can't it cost less than the F-22? The relevant metric here would be cost of operating. If it is designed with OMS, and has a larger installed based and offers decades of more advancements it could well be easier and more affordable to sustain than F-22's.

Most likely he meant service & maintenance costs; the technology likely matured since F-22.

 

[FighterJock]

Would not surprise me Josh_TN, if the F-47 had two crew, and that second crew member was to command CCAs as we have been discussing on this thread in the past.

 

[TomcatViP]

So no R2D2 but a good old Santini?



I don´t share the same view on that. Reduction in flight related pilot task makes the second crew a bit of a luxury with an AF that find difficulties to recruit enough pilots.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Two aircrew?

If it is side by side I’m gonna die laughing.

 

[HyFonic]

Wait, there's a designation system?

Turns out the deep state was keeping Big Designation in check. Now all hell has broken loose.

Jokes aside I would love to know the actual reasoning behind the designation. Doesn't it imply that there may be a Lockheed Martin YF-46 or 48?

 

[Moose]

whats confusing me is what is this? I thought it was some form of LERX before but the other image does not show one either. Im starting to think these may just be more concept art rather than representative of the real thing. Or maybe one is a concept and one is real. View attachment 763770

Vapor coming off the nose I think. We'll see (eventually)

 

[In_A_Dream]

Turns out the deep state was keeping Big Designation in check. Now all hell has broken loose.

Jokes aside I would love to know the actual reasoning behind the designation. Doesn't it imply that there may be a Lockheed Martin YF-46 or 48?

Maybe quid pro quo:

"Let me have the 47 designation, I'll absorb marketing the cost issue to Congress & the public."

 

[books]

Cockpit appears massively larger now. Or the whole plane massively smaller.

I lean toward thinking the in-flight one is the demonstrator and the flag one the initial EMD proposal, but another thing that occurred to me is that I wonder if it would be possible for an IRST to stare through a canopy? Maybe extra canopy area would enable that

If it is side by side I’m gonna die laughing.

Wonder how many side-by-side jets have a single tire forward landing gear?

 

[TomcatViP]

Found it on DVIDS.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8928...t-generation-air-dominance-ngad-platform-f-47

"Artist Rendering"!!

 

[Josh_TN]

Wonder how many side-by-side jets have a single tire forward landing gear?

Good catch, that does tell us a little about the weight.

 

[FighterJock]

Not that many both the Su-24 and Su-34 have twin nose gear for a reason, so I would think that the F-47 will have twin nose gear as well.

 

[WatcherZero]

So have they pivoted from large jet to small jet? It looks pretty small (unless thats a side by side cockpit) and they are saying unit price will be less than the F-22's was rather than the $300m the previous favourite had.

 

[books]

Not that many both the Su-24 and Su-34 have twin nose gear for a reason, so I would think that the F-47 will have twin nose gear as well.

The flag pic has one though, and IMO looks larger?

 

[FighterJock]

I am taking that image with a large dose of salt books sadly.

 

[tacitblue1973]

Interesting design, though they pretty much have to have the 3 stream engine now for the range requirement.

 

[Ainen]

I lean toward thinking the in-flight one is the demonstrator and the flag one the initial EMD proposal, but another thing that occurred to me is that I wonder if it would be possible for an IRST to stare through a canopy? Maybe extra canopy area would enable that

I honestly long since wondered why f-35 and j-20 don't do it in the first place. Obvious real estate.

 

[TomcatViP]

It was also said that the 47 will cost LESS than the F-22.

 

[books]

Good catch, that does tell us a little about the weight.

Watch though, now that I said that, the forward wheels will be in tandem but the seats side-by-side!

 

[fightingirish]

Deep Intel on the F-47 Sixth Generation Strike/Fighter
President Trump just announced that Boeing has been selected to develop the F-47, the sixth generation strike/fighter that's been shrouded in mystery for years now. Aviation Week reporter Steve Trimble joins Mooch to discuss the details of the selection process and what's next for the program. [...]

Video:

View: https://youtu.be/9e_EXmVUJCM?si=iJH-s6GJ1o7AA9iF
Link:

https://youtu.be/9e_EXmVUJCM?si=iJH-s6GJ1o7AA9iF

 

[Josh_TN]

It was also said that the 47 will cost LESS than the F-22.

Did not notice that…it seems a little strange given previous statements, but I can easily see why Boeing won if that’s their price point.

 

[Dew]

Guys.. guys - it's ok they've got the sheds down already !

“Hopefully, these magnificent planes will be built and in the air during my administration. It's ready to go. They've already built much of what has to be built in terms of production, including the sheds.” Trump added

 

[Hanse]

"Artist Rendering"!!

Huge relief if true. It would be nice to have something that takes ones breath away- finally.

 

[Josh_TN]

I wonder when they will upload better-quality images.

Probably just before first flight like B-21. We still have not even seen AIM-260 in the flesh; I can’t imagine we get anything other than a less blurred render until they are building EMD airframes.

 

[Josh_TN]

Per trump:
"an experimental version of the plane has secretly been flying for almost 5 years"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903118400378765492

View: https://x.com/Doha104p3/status/1903118400378765492

He is almost certainly referring to x plane demonstrators; his accuracy on most anything, especially military matters, is pretty sub par.

 

[FighterJock]

Lets see if Boeing can stick to that price range and not fall into the trap that Lockheed did with the F-35 costing more now than it did when Lockheed won the JSF.

 

[Desertfox]

Whats sad is that F-26 was right there! Say XF-24 for the Lockheed design, XF-25 for the NG design, and XF-26 for the Boeing design...

 

[GTX]

Their last effort was the XP-29 with cantilevered wing and retractable gear:

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It didn't have canards either...

There was the Boeing XF8B