Vickers Type 559 (F155T) fighter

overscan (PaulMM) · 16 June 2007

Tailed designs

overscan (PaulMM) · 16 June 2007

overscan (PaulMM) · 16 June 2007

B: Canard designs

overscan (PaulMM) · 16 June 2007

And the last 2

overscan (PaulMM) · 9 August 2009

These pictures were taken from the brochure for the Vickers 559. They were very small in the original, they are pleasingly odd.

zen · 9 August 2009

Fascenating, stuff. Where did you get to see the brochure?

pathology_doc · 10 August 2009

overscan said:
they are pleasingly odd.

You aren't joking. Has anyone else seen a "triple boom" design anywhere?

overscan (PaulMM) · 10 August 2009

A copy of the brochure is stored at the National Archives, Kew.

pathology_doc · 10 August 2009

*Marks down Kew as another place to visit on next trip to Britain.*

danielgrimes · 10 August 2009

The more convertional designs appear similar to the Type 799 and Type 583; Especially B3 with the multiple engines. It goes to show the research required to create something that could achieve F1/55's far reaching requirements!!

saintkatanalegacy · 10 August 2009

i kinda like the A6 in an odd way

overscan (PaulMM) · 15 April 2010

A couple of my pics of the Vickers 559 model from RAF Stafford collection.

starviking · 17 April 2010

overscan said:
A couple of my pics of the Vickers 559 model from RAF Stafford collection.

Arming that beast would have been quite a task! That said, it is my favourite F.155 submission - very Thunderbirds-esque.

Also, this is the first time I've seen the 559 with a Red Top missile fit - my gut feeling is that the staggered ventral carriage of the Red Dean and Red Tops would have imposed a rigid sequential pattern - Deans away before Tops.

Hammer Birchgrove · 17 April 2010

starviking said:
overscan said:

A couple of my pics of the Vickers 559 model from RAF Stafford collection.

Click to expand...

Arming that beast would have been quite a task! That said, it is my favourite F.155 submission - very Thunderbirds-esque.

Also, this is the first time I've seen the 559 with a Red Top missile fit - my gut feeling is that the staggered ventral carriage of the Red Dean and Red Tops would have imposed a rigid sequential pattern - Deans away before Tops.

That would make sense IMHO - better to first take down (some of) the bombers from a "safe" distance before having to chase either bombers or (escort?) fighters.

zen · 17 April 2010

Red Hebe's are for the head on, first pass, Red Tops for the follow up stern chase. Idea being to break up formations and get them to abandon the attack.

Thus the idea of fitting Red Hebe with a nuclear warhead, increasing lethality and making bomber formations a dangerous way to approach UK airdefences.

Triton · 25 July 2013

Model of Vickers Type 559 held by RAF Museum Cosford Curator Nick Sturgess.

Source:
http://www.warbirdsnews.com/avaition-museum-news/raf-museum-cosford-exhibits-models-cancelled-concept-aircraft.html#more-5849

starviking · 25 July 2013

Triton said:
Model of Vickers Type 559 held by RAF Museum Cosford Curator Nick Sturgess.

I don't recall seeing that missile configuration on the 559 before. Certainly requires a fixed firing sequence for the missiles: the Red Tops are going last.

aim9xray · 25 July 2013

Judging from the misalignment on the aft pylon(s) - I have to wonder if the model re-assembly is incorrect... ?

overscan (PaulMM) · 26 July 2013

The pylons are alternatives, only one pair can be used at once. This is not a real configuration.

Michel Van · 26 July 2013

I do not understand, the idea to put the Pylons on top of Aircraft ?

overscan (PaulMM) · 26 July 2013

According to the brochure:

Best fit for conforming to Area Rule is just ahead of wing
Fuselage mounted weapons possibly lower drag than wing mounted
Little possibilty of buffet from weapon wake

overscan (PaulMM) · 26 July 2013

A brochure drawing with perplexing perspective.

sferrin · 26 July 2013

Probably my favorite British might-have-been.

CJGibson · 26 July 2013

"Fuselage mounted weapons possibly lower drag than wing mounted"

...and less assymetric drag effects if one missle was fired. Air Staff reckoned that a Midge with tip-mounted Blue Jays would have been difficult to control unless both were fired at once. See Battle Flight Page 141

I wonder if a large store such as Red Hebe would have the same effect on a large fighter such as the Vickers 559?

Paul, any mention of this in relation to the Hawker P.1103 and tip=mounted Red Hebes?

Chris

PlanesPictures · 26 July 2013

this bird is near to top of my internal buffer what to do. I hope I will do only planes from this buffer

Michel Van · 26 July 2013

PlanesPictures said:
this bird is near to top of my internal buffer what to do. I hope I will do only planes from this buffer

that are two De Havilland Spectre Junior kerosene/hydrogen peroxide rocket motor, with thrust of 5,000 lbf (22 kN) each

overscan (PaulMM) · 26 July 2013

Some details for modelling purposes.

GTX · 26 July 2013

What's the source Paul?

overscan (PaulMM) · 26 July 2013

The brochure.

GTX · 26 July 2013

PlanesPictures · 27 July 2013

Are similar inboard details available for SR P.187, too?

Archibald · 27 July 2013

sferrin said:
Probably my favorite British might-have-been.

Seconded. Only the Saro P.187 beat it in pure brutishness.

Motocar · 5 October 2016

Good for cutaway retouch

sferrin · 5 October 2016

Archibald said:
sferrin said:

Probably my favorite British might-have-been.

Click to expand...

Seconded. Only the Saro P.187 beat it in pure brutishness.

Thirded. (Agree with your second statement as well.)

Motocar · 6 October 2016

Cutaway Vickers Type 559 (F155T) Fighter retouched by Motocar

FighterJock · 6 October 2016

Motocar said:
Cutaway Vickers Type 559 (F155T) Fighter retouched by Motocar

What happened to the Vickers Type 559? Was it too advanced for its time or did it suffer a similar fate like the TSR-2? Either way it is a stunning aircraft.

newsdeskdan · 6 October 2016

Detail from another brochure pic...

andy_d · 7 October 2016

It seems an awful lot of aircraft to carry just two missiles.

sferrin · 7 October 2016

andy_d said:
It seems an awful lot of aircraft to carry just two missiles.

YF-12 or F-108 would have only carried 3. Back then though they had more airplanes. 12 planes with 2 missiles each vs 2 planes with 12 missiles. Probably figured by the time they reached the bombers they'd only have enough gas to go after one of them anyway.

andy_d · 7 October 2016

Hopefully not too much off topic - the F155T designs were obviously intended for similar performance to the Lightning, but with greater range. Was this because, even before the Lightning entered service, its range was recognised as being inadequate for interceptions over the North Sea? Bill Gunston said that the first Lightnings had about enough fuel "to defend one English county."

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