Convair Models 58,60,61 & 62 Transport Aircraft

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Hi,

The Convair Model-60 was a project of twin engined airliner
powered by either P&W JT3D-5 or GE C1805-41C turbofans,
it was in class of DH-121 and Boeing-727.
 
Hi,

Can I ask if Convair Model-62 was also airliner project as I heard
or not ?.
 
Aha, just two hours ago I've seen the 3-view in a 1960 AW&ST issue !!!! If you are patient, I'll copy it when I go back to the library (not this week).
 
Uh, yes, but I was looking for something else (totally else...) ;D
 
Hi,

I discovered that the Convair Model-62 was a stretched version of
Model-58 (civil projects from B-58 ) and could accommodated 52-
passengers as supersonic transport aircraft,powered by four P & W
J58 engines,but I can't send a drawing to it now.
 
Hesham,
You can take a look in the 'Civil Aircraft' department of
Orionlam's site about the civil B-58 variant...
 
Hi,

the Convair Model-58 and Model-62.
 

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Air Force One based on a stretched B-58...
You could repeal the 22nd amendment!
 
I hope, reviving this old thread is ok, but in Aero 4/1960, I've found a drawing with the
caption "Convair 60" described as a short haul airliner, derived with minimum efforts from
the 880/990. It should have been powered by P&W JTD3D or GE CJ 805 engines and carried
between 65 to 85 passengers. As reaction from the carriers was luke warm, Convair shifted
to a version, which used the wing of the 880 and is described as desiganted "Convair 49",
following the take-off distance of 4900ft (1500m).
 

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Thanks Jens ! That's the 3.view I say in AW ! Probably was a press briefing materiel.
 
The Convair Model 60 / Model 61 was a design-proposal for a scaled-down Convair-880, which was conceived as a rival to the Boeing-737.
The following picture links and quotes are stolen from a.net:
model60.jpg

Description: Photo depicts a design-proposal for a scaled-down Convair-880 derivative known as the Model 60, which was conceived as a rival to the Boeing-737. The aircraft was to be powered by a pair of wing-mounted, aft-fanned CJ-805-23 turbofans and utilized virtually the same wing as the Convair-880M.
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model60Eastern001.jpg

Description: Photo depicts an artist's impression of the Convair Model-60 twin-jet design concept shown in an early Eastern-Airlines livery.
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model61.jpg

Description: Photo depicts an artist-impression of the T-tailed Convair Model-61 twin-jet concept in an early Eastern Airlines livery.
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model61Eastern.jpg

Description: Photo depicts an artist-impression of the T-tailed Convair Model-61 twin-jet concept in an early Eastern Airlines livery.
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Two model pictures at the SDASM Archives.
Link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?ss=2&w=49487266@N07&q=Model+61&m=text
 
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My dear Fightingirish,

please see;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2044.0/highlight,convair+60.html
 
I think the title ought to reflect the fact that this topic is about both the Models 60 AND 61 since these are quite distinct designs.
 
Artist's impression of Convair Model 61 previously hotlinked in this topic.

Three-view drawing of Convair Model 61 previously hotlinked in this topic.

Line drawing of Convair Model 61 cabin configuration.

Source: http://s161.photobucket.com/home/AVKent882
 

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From Air Pictorial 5/1958,


the scale-down version of Convair Model-880,estimated to be powered by two General Electric
X220 turbofan engines.
 

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Good Day All -

Here are higher resolution images of the Model 61 display model courtesy of the San Diego Air & Space Museum.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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Mark Nankivil said:
Here are higher resolution images of the courtesy of the San Diego Air & Space Museum.
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Fantastic Models mark,many thanks.
 
From Air Pictorial 4/1955,


a strange Convair airliner design,accommodated 60 passenger and had a "high-wing",
and intended for Convair-Liner replacement,what was this ?.
 

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hesham said:
From Air Pictorial 4/1955,


a strange Convair airliner design,accommodated 60 passenger and had a "high-wing",
and intended for Convair-Liner replacement,what was this ?.
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Certainly not related to the Models 60 and 61. Perhaps related to the N-2 series of designs (date fits perfectly). See:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10228.0
 
hesham said:
the problem is still there,it was a "high-wing" design ?.
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So far I haven't seen a precise description of the N-2 series of designs. It is very possible that a high-wing configuration was considered. After all, Martin did the same at some point on a 2-0-2 derivative study. And don't forget even Convair toyed with the idea earlier on with their Model 107 project.
 
Good Day All -

A 3 view of the Model 60 from the August 1, 1960 Av Week.

Enjoy the Day! Mark
 

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That Convair supersonic model almost looks like it has wings from a B58 Hustler supersonic bomber.
Clearly, Convair was trying to build civilian transport based on military experience ...... the same way Boeing used lessons-learned on B47 and B52 bombers when designing their 707 airliner.
 

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fightingirish said:
Maybe the Convair Model 61 had the earlier designation "Convair Model 1010".
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Inconclusive. This could read 1010, but also 1018, 1016, 1810, 1816, 181C, etc.
Unless we can see a better quality image I think the speculation here is pretty irrelevant.
Besides, Convair never used any four-digit designations.
 
Stargazer said:
Inconclusive. This could read 1010, but also 1018, 1016, 1810, 1816, 181C, etc.
Unless we can see a better quality image I think the speculation here is pretty irrelevant.
Besides, Convair never used any four-digit designations.
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Well, you could argue, "Convair CV-1010" is just a next following designation after the Convair CV-880 and Convair CV-990.
But I agree, for now it is just speculation, if this designation "Convair CV-1010" was at some time "official" and who's idea it was. I wouldn't be surprised, if this designation came either from the model builder or from the marketing department, and not from the engineers.
I hope, the SDASM Flickr Archive will release better quality images and other angles of this model in the upcoming weeks. :)
 
Stargazer said:
Inconclusive. This could read 1010, but also 1018, 1016, 1810, 1816, 181C, etc.
Unless we can see a better quality image I think the speculation here is pretty irrelevant.
Besides, Convair never used any four-digit designations.
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SDASM's own file name states 1010 so I'll go with 1010 too.... Mark

23_0029576 Convair Negative Image​


87012841 :piction ID--Convair 1010 model 05/04/1963---Please tag these photos so information can be recorded.---- Digitization of this image made possible by a grant from NEH​

 
Yep agreed its in the CV-880 / CV-990 series of marketing designations rather than a Model number. Bearing that in mind, "CV-1010" could potentially apply to a variety of unbuilt post CV-990 projects rather than just this one.
 
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Ummm... the book says nothing about "supersonic", and the performance numbers are solidly subsonic.

So maybe dial back the hyperbole a little?
Just because the seller was incorrectly hyping the book doesn't mean you have to.
 
BlackBat242 said:
Ummm... the book says nothing about "supersonic", and the performance numbers are solidly subsonic.

So maybe dial back the hyperbole a little?
Just because the seller was incorrectly hyping the book doesn't mean you have to.
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I didn't mean to "hype" anything, I simply put bold type to indicate that this was the title of the item.
But of course you're right. Nothing supersonic here, so I'll just dump the title, which is as phony as the write-up itself.
 
Convair had a timeless elegance in their aesthetics. Some of those designs superficially would fit right in today's market. Add canoes and high efficiency engines of course. But that sleek look was brilliant.
 

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