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I'll start this thread in an attempt to find answers to question as "Is this aircraft real ?" easier.
If you find a type, that has been proved to be a fake, please post it here with a subject telling
the asserted manufacturer and type. In the post please give the source you found it, feel free
to attach a picture, as sometimes the designation alone may not be that clear.
- As posts are sorted chronologically only, I'll start a list at the beginning of this thread, which I'll
complete successively.




List of fakes,
sorted by country of origin and manufacturer:

Bulgaria:
- MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber


China:
- Stealth fighter, delta canard

Czechoslovakia :
Avia
- Av-52 "Nikola Šuhaj"
- LetovL-115 Delfin
- Czech Lirpa-2010,Advanced Interceptor

France:
Aérospatiale
- F-0104-91 Canard Helicopter

Morane Saulnier
- MS.954

Payen
- Pa.46/6 "Bourrasque" (twin-engined record airacrft/racer)


SNCASE
- SE.8000/SE.8200 Hirondelle

Germany:

Akaflieg Berlin
- B-X

Heinkel
- Heinkel He-162 S-2 (NOT to be mixed up with the He 162 training glider !)
- Heinkel He 117/He 536 /He X

Horten
- Horten Rocket Fighter with Parabolic Wing

Junkers
- Junkers Ju 225 (see Klagenfurt 225)

- Klagenfurt
- Klagenfurt 225 (or Junkers Ju 225)

Messerschmitt
- Me 115

- Me 323 Zwilling

Krupp-Germania
- Krupp-Germania Ks.Ib

Lippisch
- “Gleiter Bombenflugzeug”


Great Britain:

de Havilland
- Fireguard missile

Fairey
- Swordfish Turboprop conversion

- "Green Meat" missile

Gloster
- G.45 Sea Meteor FSN.6
- SS.39 Gannet
- SS.40 Skipper I
- SS.42 Skipper II

Saunders Roe
- Saro M.7

- 6-engined Saro P.192


Hungary:

XN-1 "Cameleon" jet fighter

Italy:

Reggiane
- Re 2007 Jet Fighter


Japan:

Kawasaki
- Ki-45-Kai with Lichtenstein radar

Kugisho
- Kugisho 16-Shi carrier fighter

Nakajima
- Nakajima "Gus"
- Nakajima Ki-115-II

Suzukaze
- Suzukaze 20 "Omar"
unknown manufacturer
- S-31 Kurowashi
- T.K. 19

Soviet Union/Russia
Cheranovski
- BICh-19

Kalinin
- enlarged Kalinin K-7, "flying battleship"

MiG
- MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber (Bulgaria)

Myasishchev
- M-13 Bomber

Polikarpov
- I-188 M-95

Sukhoi
- Su-44

Tupolev
- Tu-200

US:
Boeing
- Boeing 507

Super Dynamics International
- 04-1B Robin
 
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Super Dynamics International 04-1B Robin
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Original source: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%200950.html
Current source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_J97
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11694.0



Klagenfurt Kf 255
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°43, page 2
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°44



Kawa Sori
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°89, page 42
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°90



Suzuki 18-Shi MXS 12
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°113, page 20
Current source: http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/july/new-releases/book_sub-ac.htm
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°114



North American T-6 "Exo-Seven" floatplane
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°125 page 58
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°126



Monaco Airways Lysander
Original source: Le Fana de l'aviation n°173, page 40
Current source: http://documentation.museeairespace.fr/ListDocument.php?line_0[value]=10672606&line_0[field]=auteur&typerec=Index
Debunking: Le Fana de l'aviation n°174


(more stuff coming up)
 
Lippisch "Gleiter Bombenflugzeug" (glide bomber)
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Original source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk (no longer accessible) and several others
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5828.0



Kugisho 16-Shi carrier fighter
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Original source: http://www.warbirds.jp/kakuki/kaksei/16-shi_2.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,661.msg86123.html#msg86123
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,661.msg109762.html#msg109762



Hotelicopter
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Original source: no longer available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9365.0



Conwing L-16 "Sea Duck"
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Original source: http://kungaloosh2.sakraft.com/book/1-82.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg124377.html#msg124377



Messerschmitt Me-109TL.I single-jet "Gustav"
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Original source: http://www.klueser.eu/graphwindow.php?index=1178
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg122217.html#msg122217



Focke-Wulf Fw 190J V.89
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Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Focke-Wulf Fw 190J V.90
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Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Focke-Wulf Fw 190Z V.1
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Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Hughes-Kaiser HK-2
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Original source: http://www.aeroknow.com/USAFM.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg65092.html#msg65092



Lockheed ATF
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Original source: Bill Gunston's Stealth Airplanes (from Osprey Publishing)
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg75623.html#msg75623



Chengdu J-14 stealth fighter
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Original source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600141/posts?page=9
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4185.0
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9032.0



Beech AT-34D COIN aircraft
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Original source: not available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2013.0



(more stuff coming up)
 
Stargazer2006 said:
North American "mid-engined Mustang"
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Original source: not available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg121649.html#msg121649
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richard B said:
In Green's "Fighters" vol 4 p 141 ,there is a photo of the mock-up of a Mustang fitted with a RR Merlin aft of the cockpit : " y " is not a what-if , but a serious project.
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I have a copy of William Green's "Fighters" vol 4, will scan image. Real project.
<edit> Found an image here.
<edit>Added William Green's image.
 

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Feng LY-66 "Fuchou" ("Vengeance") twin-boom heavy fighter ("Fouke-60")
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Original source: http://alternatehistory.net/Discussion/showthread.php?t=93020&page=2
Original source: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86560&page=4
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8059.0



Airbus A390
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Original source: unavailable
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4215.0



Messerschmitt Me 115
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Original source: wartime identification manuals
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0



Italian UAV display team
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Original source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/01/340168/pictures-farnborough-beckons-for-italian-uav-display-team.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10578.0



Von Braun rocket interceptor
index.php

Original source: numerous
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6496.0
(NOTE: some doubt remains as to this project)



Boeing 507
index.php

Original source: https://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66699&page=5
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5769.0


McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 canard derivative
index.php

Original source: unavailable
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5917.0



Saro M.7 delta-wing flying boat
index.php

Original source: 'The Net', a British movie directed by Anthony Asquith
Debunking: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1953/1953%20-%200135.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4298.0


Northrop/Loral F-19A Specter
Original source: http://www.infomercantile.com/-/Northrop-Loral_F-19A_Specter
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3704.msg89491.html#msg89491




Chinese hy-9 future transport aircraft
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Original source: http://media.photobucket.com/image/Hy-9%20TRANSPORT%20AIRCRAFT/DemonLordRazgriz/Belkaland%20military/Hy-9.jpg
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9285.0



Suzukaze 20 (Allied code: "Omar")
Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/suzukaze.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.0



Nakajima AT27 (Allied code: "Gus")
Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/at27.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg51117.html#msg51117
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4848.0.html



T.K.19
Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/tk19.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg51117.html#msg51117



S-31 "Kurowashi" ("Black Eagle")
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Original source: unknown
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg60906.html#msg60906
 

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Bill Gunston's Lockheed ATF is not correct.

From the original source: Osprey Combat Aircraft Series 13. Stealth Warplanes. 1988 page 26

Lockheed CSRIS aircraft, which the author suggest could be designated by USAF as the AR-19A, or even the RS-19A
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So which the author attempted to describe was the Lockheed F-117.
 
Remember, there was a genuine canard Hornet derivative, part of the Hornet 2000 programme...


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,367.msg2312.html#msg2312


cheers,
Robin.
 
Folks, thanks for your participation, I'm completing the list.
Please, could you do me a favour ?

- Mention the country of origin in your post.

- Please think twice, if it really is proved to be a fake and if so, was it ever taken for
serious in any publication or website ?

Thanks
 
What makes this one particularly bad is that there was a genuine He 162S variant; from 'Warplanes of the Third Reich' :-


"...the He 162 V16 and V17...were respectively the first and second prototypes for the He 162S training glider. With the engine removed and asecond cockpit...the He 162S had an enlarged wing and vertical tail surfaces. The undercarriage was fixed in the down position..."


cheers,
Robin.

note added to the He 162 entry
 

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MiG-19 fake from Reichdreams Nº19
 

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Hi,


I found on Internet,many fake designs to Cheranovski BICh-19 aircraft.
 

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The "parabolic" model is by RussC1, an online pal who used to do some awesome stuff until he got all fired up for... dragons!

http://russc1.deviantart.com/
 
Jemiba said:
Hello hesham, can you tell us the source ? Then I would add it to the "fake blacklist" ..
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Sorry my dear Jemiba,


I can't remember from where sites.
 
No Heinkel "T" ? (Stippa as a jet bomber source : La Science et la Vie around 1946) No T-Rakete ? (mis-drawn Trieblugel with fixed wings source : various Allied magazines 1945-1950)

No Schriever saucer ?????

JCC
 
Couple of guided weapons for the black list

Green Meat - source: RAF Yearbook 1976 (quite well known this one)

Fireguard - de Havilland IR-guided AAM - source: De Havilland Gazette,mid Fifties.

Chris
 
CJGibson said:
Couple of guided weapons for the black list

Green Meat - source: RAF Yearbook 1976 (quite well known this one)

Fireguard - de Havilland IR-guided AAM - source: De Havilland Gazette,mid Fifties.

Chris
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Disinformation?
 
JC Carbonel said:
No Heinkel "T" ? (Stippa as a jet bomber source : La Science et la Vie around 1946) No T-Rakete ? (mis-drawn Trieblugel with fixed wings source : various Allied magazines 1945-1950)

No Schriever saucer ??? ??

JCC
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We had the "Heinkel T" here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1093.15.html,
but without a final conclusion.
About the "T-Rakete", are there any pictures, ust to make clear, what the notice in the list stands for ?
With regards to the "Schriever Flying Saucer" and other stuff of that kind, I don't know, if we shall
include it here, as we probably would end up with "Haunebu Flugscheiben" and similar BS.
Opinions ?

Have added Green Meat and Fireguard to the list. Do we know, which was the stated manufacturer of
Green Meat ?
 
hesham said:
Hi,


I found on Internet,many fake designs to Cheranovski BICh-19 aircraft.
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Looks like what Kenneth Arnold saw near Mt Rainier, crescent shaped "ufo's". Maybe was an earlier German design?
 
An accidental fake, the Fuujin Attack Helicopter;
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Mistaken by the Chinese media as a real concept for the JSDF.

Sources:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?226823-Chinese-Newspaper-confuses-the-Japanese-Military-with-Deviant-Art
http://kotaku.com/chinese-newspaper-confuses-the-japanese-military-with-509258501
 
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