Britain and the post 1991 Cold War

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The year 1991 is associated with the end of the Cold War but had things been different and Gorbachev replaced like Kruschev in the 60s with a hard line leadership the UK could not have reduced its armed forces.
The Royal Navy would have needed a replacement for its T42 destroyers sooner than in our time. The three Invincibles might have retained their Seadart or received Seawolf. Sea Harriers were due to get Amraam. Replacement ships were being examined.
The RAF would have needed to develop Tornado strike aircraft and the F2 would have got ASRAAM and Amraam. It might not have got C17 as the C130 was more useful in the NATO resupply role.
Challenger 2 would have entered service sooner and in greater numbers.
 
I'm not sure the RN can get the Type 45s in the water much sooner than they did. In terms of time Britain's Horizon diversion didn't cost them all that much - it would've taken 8-10 years to finish the design anyway (in the event it took ten years to the month) and Horizon did have the benefit of getting the PAAMS development done before the Brits left it. And they still need time to process the wreckage of the Cold War-era NFR90 project. Some of the delays for HMS Daring seem unavoidable.

Plus, the Vanguard subs eating the budget during the 1990s.
 
The quest....or is it the saga of replacing Type 42 and Sea Dart. Goes back to the early 70's....if not to the late 60's.
The decision not fund SAM.72, GAST.1210 and to drop Sea Dart mkII and opt into NF-90 was disastrous and added another decade to this effort.

With that Type 43 and Type 44 (which reused Type 22 hull and machinery) were thrown out with the bathwater.

But arguments were being made for stretched or enlarged Type 23 with an AAW suite.

GWS.27 could have offered a longer ranged SAM complimentary to Sea Wolf.

At one point ALAS-1 a AMRAAM repackaged with a 10" diameter rocket motor was briefly a contender.
Then the Cold War ended and the USSR collapsed. Budgets rapidly got sacrificed for 'peace' (myriad local conflicts we couldn't ignore).

But European EEC collaboration was the obsession of the times and so FAMS and various letters projects led to Horizon....and ultimately the RN had to walk away and just build whatever they could. Which is why WR.21 and it's US designed intercooler and European diesel plant exist on Type 45.

So first contender has to be Sea Dart mkII and either Type 43 or Type 44. Which if Sea Dart was given VLS and gain a PESA or AESA Type radar system would do a lot.

Second SAM.72 and GAST.1210 combined. Again Type 44.

Third a big Brother to Active Sea Wolf GWS.27....with AESA on the ships And a bigger Type 23
Fourth ALAS-1.
Fifth is FAMS but just FAMS and no Horizon and WR.21.
 
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The quest....or is it the saga of replacing Type 42 and Sea Dart. Goes back to the early 70's....if not to the late 60's.
The decision not fund SAM.72, GAST.1210 and to drop Sea Dart mkII and opt into NF-90 was disastrous and added another decade to this.

With that Type 43 and Type 44 (which reused Type 22 hull and machinery) were thrown out with the bathwater.

But arguments were being made for stretched or enlarged Type 23 with an AAW suite.

GWS.27 could have offered a longer ranged SAM complimentary to Sea Wolf.

At one point ALAS-1 a AMRAAM repackaged with a 10" diameter rocket motor was briefly a contender.
Then the Cold War ended and the USSR collapsed. Budgets rapidly got sacrificed for 'peace' (myriad local conflicts we couldn't ignore).

But European EEC collaboration was the obsession of the times and so FAMS and various letters projects led to Horizon....and ultimately the RN had to walk away and just build whatever they could. Which is why WR.21 and it's US designed intercooler and European diesel plant exist on Type 45.

So first contender has to be Sea Dart mkII and either Type 43 or Type 44. Which if Sea Dart was given VLS and gain a PESA or AESA Type radar system would dokce a lot.

Second SAM.72 and GAST.1210 combined. Agsin Type 44.

Third a big Brother to Active Sea Wolf GWS.27....with AESA on the ships And a bigger Type 23
Fourth ALAS-1.
Fifth is FAMS but just FAMS and no Horizon and WR.21.
But anything that happened before 1991 is still going to happen - you can only change things starting in 1991.
 
But anything that happened before 1991 is still going to happen - you can only change things starting in 1991
Yes but it helps to be aware of what had happened previously. The 'might have been' that would still linger in the minds of people.

Arguably stretched Type 23 would win out as it was already on the cards. '91 was when the first 4 were downgraded to just repeat Type 23.
So had the Cold War continued, this stretched Type 23 would have happened.

This would potentially compete with a 3 and 4 set powerplant concepts alongside NF-90/Horizon concepts.

And had some version of Type 23 won through, it's likely a choice between GWS.27 with a beefed up GAST.1210 SAM or ALAS-1 as it's effector.
 
Perhaps Britain could use the catalyst of the Cold War ending to finally once and for all cone to terms with appreciating that it's no longer a world power and that it's infatuation with empire has moved on and never coming back. Instead of acting as the self-declared and demonstrated Deputy Sheriff of the United States, it actually knuckles down on it's actual armed forces and it's economy as a whole as opposed to spending it wealth on interventions and regime changes.
Perhaps by doing so, it could turn it's attention to lifting Africa up from it's endless colonial/Cold War/proxy war abuse and in doing so, British gain the respect and trust of many African countries and in doing so Britain becomes a powerhouse in exporting education, technology and serious judicial and democratic structures. In doing so, Britain would perhaps be able to conduct joint weapons system development programs with African countries - as opposed to use it's geopolitical/economic persuasion to win over dubious 'military contracts'.....Perhaps Britain could become what China has actually become to Africa.

With such trade, Britain might be inclined to justify it's tailored made Navy to facilitate such strategically important trade route, as opposed to trying to build and maintain the actual shambolic Navy it has now.
It could perhaps have a major comeback in its civilian shipbuilding facilitating such trade with Africa (perhaps using actual African facilities and labour to derive more $ competitiveness $, just as China utilises it's highly trained but cheap indigenous labour.)

Just a thought of difference.

Regards
Pioneer
 
P: it is certainly a "thought of difference" to bring Africa to a table of techno-talk.

We are all the product of our personal experience. I have none of Africa, some of India, much of China. Progress in India and China to today - industrial, business, techno - is spectacular: India a United sovereign only fr. 8/47; with colonial heritage; PRC ditto, 10/49; without.
It is that Oneness, a sense of Team, that has caused this progress. A small offshore island had a couple of centuries' enjoyment of that Team sense, when its larger neighbours did not, so that in 1951 became the driver of Ever Closer Union inspiring the EU Project.

Africa's, and KSA's thoughts of Techno-presence as leader of the Arab Nation, must create a Team sense if they are to be powerhouses.

OP: in 1994 we all signed AW de-target solemn Statements and hoped for a Peace Dividend, but spend reduced largely in visible bodies. Though Reagan's Star Wars sort-of-fizzled, everything we daily see in Ukraine is rooted in '94-ish: black, autonomy, cyber, asymmetry. We might say Politics is now merely the continuation of War by other means. Who in '94 would have predicted that RN would soon be funded for its largest-ever warships, new SSN, SSBN Fleets; junior NCOs let loose on $-multi-Mn. assets, one RAF, one RN pilot on £100Mn. asset?

I dismiss Chomsky conspiracy rants about "who runs the country", Defence as welfare for billionaires...but others might see traction there.
 
The strategic view ought to have begun with the demography on the one hand and the eternal realities of of UK geography and geology.

As an island chain off the coast of Europe, effectively dominating access via the Channel, and the North Sea. The UK has no choice but to be concerned with maritime matters. As surely as it must nearby states which control neighbouring coastlines.

As a state who's population exceeds it's capacity to feed from it's domestic agriculture, imports in bulk by ship from wherever imposes a life or death demand for maritime security of trade along the routes that food travels.
That ultimately requires military force to create that security.

This food has to be paid for, domestic economics must earn acceptable foreign capital to buy those imports. Foreigner's must want what is made in the UK.
All import is subject to threat of restrictions, from capacity to availability to political interference to financial constraints.
Each import is a weakness.

Demographically, the UK population hit a low of birthrate in 1972-74 and this means by the early 1990's that cadre is entering the workforce and is the available pool of new recruits to UK Armed Forces.
Arguably a contraction in population matched with increasing agricultural productivity eases the import burden, eases pressure on 'housing'.
Which includes:-
sewage treatment
water provision
electrical power supply
healthcare
education,
wealthfare,
transportation,
emergency services,
government services,
legal services,
financial services etc
and on and on and on...
housing is not just housing.

Increasing productivity and efficiency decreases the pressure to import labour.....
if the educational system is working well...........
a failure to educate to the needs of the economy results in increasing pressure to import people with those skills imposing assimilation and integration costs.

Importing people always runs the risk of importing foreign disputes and runs risks concerning divided loyalties.
The offset of technologies, and improving exchange ratios assist in offsetting a decline in personnel numbers in the Armed Forces.
Historically the need for large standing armies ran counter to the more pressing need to crew a navy sufficient to control access to the UK. It's hard to win a war on UK soil if you cannot get your army across the seas.

In the world of Atomic weapons, and ballistic missiles, the UK is too close to potential launch sites in the Soviet Union. Flight times impose a very short warning period and decision time is measured in minutes.
To this end defence would have to be fully automated and this runs risks of accidental use.
The best option would be to cite such interceptors closer to the threat.....In Europe or at sea.
Logically threats from further away might permit a more US style decision system. Giving humans time to choose. Such as China or Iran.
The posture of retaliation is sustained by a domestic sourced system. Every foreign element bar certain critical supplies (uranium, certain rare metals and minerals) is sourced to reduced costs.
There is a strong argument that UK nuclear weapons numbers be too low. Even prior to the end of the Cold War.

Everything that is made in the UK, from UK sourced resources and priced in domestic currency sustains UK Independence and any such exported is of net benefit to UK finances.
For every imported element, increases exposure to international politics and exposes the UK economy to external pressures. Imposing greater need for foreign involvements and often tangentially to UK objectives.
In essence UK support of involvement buys the UK support from other states to secure UK objectives.

The UK sits on reserves of oil, gas, coal, iron, tin, salt, chalk and certain phosphate bearing rocks.
Agriculturally the UK climate results in a good environment for grases, both for human consumption and to raise cattle, sheep and pigs. The quality of the meat has been the result of the temperate high water content grasses and vegetables.

The seas around are particularly good for fishing, though overfishing has caused problems. This sector imposes a need to establish 'good' relationships with other states sharing these seas.

In virtually every element of this, from the UK perspective the Sea and the Navy loom large.
The Army in deployed form is essentially a bargaining chip to buy influence.
It's military capability is secondary to the perception of it's utility to foreign states. If they think it of value in assistance to their objectives, it buys the UK influence in the corridors of power in those states. As surely as it's potential threat.
 
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