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It boggles the mind how many rockets Poland would need to buy just to have a half dozen reloads…
Going to pretty safely assume there is some miscommunication as that is more himars than we have. Still I do not like this or the infowars surrounding this conflict. Especially with what Vicky Nuland said recently and some of the clucking noises of generals in Russia.
That's a given at this stage.What if they anticipate continously sending them to ukraine if the war drags on thus justifying the number ordered.
Not sure Russia is so successful at killing trucks, nor(given their price and complexity compared to rockets) hunting them makes any longterm economic sense. They're just incredibly resilient - both vehicles and their supply chain.What if they anticipate continously sending them to ukraine if the war drags on thus justifying the number ordered.
Not sure Russia is so successful at killing trucks,
Frankly speaking, given Ukrainian experience, Polish procurement is ridiculous.
I suspect this is to do with ammunition production and integration....and a little of speed of delivery...
If LPS goes ahead, the ability of the US to stop HIMARS integration seems doubtful.M270/HIMARS has some competition in Europe....in addition to Chunmoo....
Thats Denmark, Netherlands, Germany and Spain going with PULS so far...with France going to develop their own MRL solution in the future to replace LRU (French M270).
I suspect this is to do with ammunition production and integration....and a little of speed of delivery...
M270 was once an international project...now production of vehicles and missiles is only for the US (has the old MoU expired?) some nations appear to be reconsidering....
I do wonder about the UK's commitment to M270...especially given the recent AH-64E/JAGM fiasco, with Boeing allegedly refusing to allow Brimstone integration....I do hope that they have some cast iron agreements with the US around LPS or Area Effects integration into M270...perhaps its time to jump ship...and get on the EuroPULS train (much as I'm loath to use Israeli weapons given the whole Ukraine/Spike situation)...
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FEINDEF 2023 - New multiple rocket launchers for the Spanish Army - EDR Magazine
Escribano and Expal unveiled their plans for proposing to the Spanish Army multiple rocket launchers made in Spain.www.edrmagazine.eu
Not just range, lack of overflight freedom due to SAMs. Russia has GMTIs, but it doesn't really show if you see civilian traffic or HIMARS launcher. Even good non-SAR radar pictures aren't that good.It's just range. America would have similar trouble engaging BM-30s and BM-27s without airborne GMTI and relying solely on WLRs.
The U.S. has ~770 MLRS/HIMARS. Poland has a big army, almost as big as the U.S. or ROK. It makes sense they'd have a lot of rocket launchers, even if it's close to merely half as many as the U.S.
Rocket length, at least if they're buying PULS. PULS supports a 5 meter rocket length, minimum.
Israel made PULS to have MLRS-comparable reloading speed, but with extreme long range rockets like EXTRA, which is nearly two-thirds a meter longer than M26/GMLRS, or Predator Hawk which is a meter longer than ATACMS. MLRS pods are limited to ~4 meter long all up rounds. I think the Chunmoo rockets are the same length, but a wider diameter.
US MLRS fleet IMHO is mostly a relic of MLRS times. Original MLRS had all the same setup steps as Uragan; launching business was nowhere near as easy, safe and fast.
However since LPS might also integrate into a CAMM style soft launch VLS package, the option exists to develop that as an alternative.
Which makes a domestic and Polish development possible.
As @TomS noted earlier its 3 FFLMM or 3 Outrider per payload section.
AvWeek says its an "adapted" FFLMM:
Defensa says that TGSM (aka the adapted FFLMM?) actually has a turbine for a 10km range. But it also talks about an LRAE warhead with a range of 30km. Clear as mud there...
Glide range from height would be around 30km no problem. But I can't imagine there is any possibility of a small turbine engine, or (far more likely) a sustainer rocket. The rear of the munition appears to be exactly the same as the original Fury munition.
Re-reading, I think the range is actually a reference to the UAS payload, with maybe some garbling in translation.
but...its the data link back to base that I don't get...how are they relaying the data back?
GLSDB delayed by several months apparently...
View: https://twitter.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1702699592058368049
Lockheed Martin ramps up production of HIMARS MLRS in response to growing demand
Lockheed Martin ramps up production of HIMARS MLRS in response to growing demandwww.armyrecognition.com
That should lower unit costs.
Depends. If they are maxing out their supplier capacities, it could end up driving up costs, at least in the near term.