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This is a take-off from Anthony Williams "Foresight War."
What if you time-travelled back to the 1930s and gained access to the ears of engineers, politicians and generals?
What would you suggest?
You are not allowed to "predict" World War 2.
To keep this thread "alternate" please do not repeat concepts that made it into production.
Please whisper "alternate" concepts into the ears of influential engineers, generals and politicians.
 
It’s a bit difficult, as most advantageous concepts made it into production eventually.

One whisper would be: Turret fighter? Maneuvering fighter and turret At the same time?
 
It’s a bit difficult, as most advantageous concepts made it into production eventually.

One whisper would be: Turret fighter? Maneuvering fighter and turret At the same time?
Er no! Turret fighter was tried by UK, abject failure, the turret weighs literally a ton!

I like the AH Axis of time series, there modern ships went back to WW2 - eventually they started making AK47(easier than M16) Sabre fighter etc.

I'd suggest pushing jet engine, swept wings, automatic rifle - UK license the garand FFS, UK, heavier tanks, i.e. big engine, big gun. Anti submarine kit, radar, sonar, lancaster MP, real APC. US more carriers, B17/B29 quicker, more. 'Jet B29'. Invest in factories in Australia, get more people to australia, would have been a big help in WW2.
 
I suppose the obvious one is to try and get radar and a fully Spitfire/Hurricane equipped Fighter Command by 1938
a British Expeditionary Force equipped with Matilda Mk2s and supported by Hawker Typhoons/Tempests or similar.
Buy as many decent US types as you can for Singapore.
But none of above work without politicians and public in UK and France not still traumatised by the horrors of WW1. Trying to convince people in UK up until 1938 that Winston Churchill was not a dangerous reactionary incompetent. Wish you luck with that one.
 
How about a decent supercharger for the P-39? Or getting Packard to license the Merlin earlier so that the P-51 starts life with the better engine? Or maybe remind Pratt and Whitney that the R-4360 Wasp Major was going to be used in a pusher configuration on the B-36, so they might want to think about how it's supposed to be cooled.
 
Kill Maurice Gamelin. Chose the mean you want - drop an anvil on his head, Wile E. Coyote style - but please, keep that rotten brain AWAY FROM THE FRENCH ARMIES.

I wouldn't even try to explain May 1940 to Gamelin, the guy was completely hopeless. I would have better chance explaining the defeat to a brick, a barn door or a dried dog shit.

Best option with Gamelin: kill him outward or drug him heavily and drop him on the most remote corner of the Earth. He was such an idiot, he would (hopefully) never found a way home.

SEND HIM TO THE KERGUELENS OR TO TIMBOKTOU FOR FRACK SAKE.

More generally - there were so many things wrong with the entire French military in the 30's, I'm not sure where to start.
Sending every General aged 55 or more, to the depth of the Sahara desert, would be a good start. And make sure none of them ever come back.
Rinse, repeat with half of the politicians.
 
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Is only SSgtC using his imagination?
He suggested a decent super-charger for P-39. ... something that never happened in IOTL.
People, please follow the OP's request to not "whisper" concepts that made it past the drawing board IOTL.
 
WI Canadian General Worthington got the "big gun" Ram tank that he requested?
... long-barrel 76mm?
... long-barrel 88mm?
 
Love to see the iceberg carrier....with lancasters taking off.
 
Dear Fluff suggested "real APC."
IOTL, only the American M-3 half-track sort of matches that description.
German half-tracks were too complex by half!
IOTL Canada built sort of armoured ambulances on 4X4, CMP truck chassis.
IOTL Germany ordered "kitten" APCs built on 38T tank chassis, but that never matured until the Swedes rebuilt a few 38T into BV 301 APCs long after WW2.
Long after WW2, Brazil tried converting M5 Stuart light tanks to mortar-carriers, but despite numerous chassis modifications, they were still too small and flimsy.
Any other suggestions for 1940-vintage dedicated APCs?
 
Dear Fluff suggested "real APC."
IOTL, only the American M-3 half-track sort of matches that description.
German half-tracks were too complex by half!
IOTL Canada built sort of armoured ambulances on 4X4, CMP truck chassis.
IOTL Germany ordered "kitten" APCs built on 38T tank chassis, but that never matured until the Swedes rebuilt a few 38T into BV 301 APCs long after WW2.
Long after WW2, Brazil tried converting M5 Stuart light tanks to mortar-carriers, but despite numerous chassis modifications, they were still too small and flimsy.
Any other suggestions for 1940-vintage dedicated APCs?
I'd think lloyd carrier, with all over 10mm, and a bigger engine, was always my 'expectation' of APC Mk1.

Or the m3 Lee/grant, remove top gun turret, refit the little commanders mg turret, remove the 75, must be space for 8-10 hardy troops?

Or the same, as they did with the kangaroo, just a little more work.

Real at this time doesn't have to be the rear door we all got to.
 
A decent SMG effort in either a then current pistol calibre of ammunition or outright adoption of one for pistols and SMGs.
Just don't wast cash on the Thompson.

Since Farquahar-Hill rifle was selected in 1918, maybe just fund development for a service rifle. Or talk to the French and move to 7.5mm......

Maybe when a certain German traitor hawks the Enigma plans just buy them.

Fund both a fully powered 4.7/L50 twin mount and a single as well.
Drop the PD 8" mount.
Fund a DP mounts for the 3.7" both for Army (towed) and Navy(turret) use.

Opt for the 900ft CV scheme and fund new plant machinery for capital ships.
 
I think the real impact would be in influencing the tactics and clearing widely held misconceptions: Hitler was not just "the man with the funny mustache", Japan's military power was nothing to laugh at, none of the Axis powers were the caricatures created.
Emerging technology means the next war will be a mobility war, not a static one.
Mass and maneuver will be critical in all domains: asea, under it, on the ground and above them.
The bomber will not always get through.
Air power is better employed in direct support of naval or army forces than a strategic force (at least until someone develops nuclear weaponry)
When/if war comes, you go to war with what you have

I imagine if you can effectively impress this on leadership political and military, you make a far grander contribution than whispering tidbits at engineers.
Of course, history is full of voices crying out in the wilderness making no impression on institutional inertia, so perhaps the engineer -whispering is the more fruitful avenue afterall...
 
The bomber will not always get through.
Except the bomber pretty much did always get through. It wasn't until late in the war when the Axis forces were grasping at straws and the Allies had massive technological and manpower superiority superiority that they were able to stop strikes on them cold. And I can't think of a single allied mission that was stopped from reaching their target by enemy air defenses. I think instead, you need to convince them that, while the bomber will get through, they will take horrendous loses doing so and they really need a long range, highly maneuverable escort fighter.
 
Considering the massive investment of resources, I'm not sure we agree on definitions. The Blitz failed because the Luftwaffe could not sustain the losses, a few more Black Thursday's would decimate the USAAF, Bomber Command gave up daylight raids for the margin of safety found in darkness, and even the RAF night bombing campaign eventually took heavy losse

If you're asking me to invest tremendous amounts of strategic material, industrial effort, and man power, I don't think "made it to the target whilst suffering crippling losses" makes a great case for the widely held belief that strategic bombers were generally immune to interception and that strategic bombing would singlehandedly end wars. Adding a qualifier of "well, we'll need even more investment in other assets to keep losses down" and a six year air war over Europe only reinforces how failed the maxim "will always get through" was.
 
I have yet to see a clear explanation why the British failed to produce a 120 mm destroyer gun mount capable of high angle fire prior to WW2... when they had introduced the Mark VIII version already from the mid 1920s and planned its use on the A class leaders as well. Logically they should had just updated Mark VIII to use separate ammunition instead of fixed ammunition to increase rate of fire. The standard gun should had been the 4.7"/45 Mark F Vickers built for Spain only with separate ammunition. Instead they tried to design a 5.1 in gun with fixed ammunition, when they already found the 4.7in fixed round too heavy, rejected that on grounds of the fixed round being heavy (well duh I say, did you really need to build it first to get it?) and then went and developed yet another round in 4.5in... again with fixed ammunition heavier than the one they found problematic on Nelson. It's not making any logical sense.

So just point out the obvious...
 
Another thought.....nothing actually excluded the development of printed circuit boards, even if it's very chunky.
 
This is a take-off from Anthony Williams "Foresight War."
What if you time-travelled back to the 1930s and gained access to the ears of engineers, politicians and generals?
What would you suggest?

Is this restricted to the UK, or could the whispering be done in French ears, or German, or Italian, or Russian, or American, or Japanese? You could start a thread on each of those.

From my perspective, the obvious starting point is to identify the most serious weaknesses and try to correct them. For the UK, this would mean anti-submarine warfare, as the U-boat blockade was a huge threat to the survival of the country. Which is why, in my book, I gave a high priority to the early design and development of MAC ships - big bulk cargo ships modified to have flight decks to take a few Swordfish anti-sub planes. Get them designed well before the war, then carry out the conversions immediately, so that every convoy had air cover. Not as sexy as new weapons, but a very small cost for a huge benefit.
 
Hello tony,
Glad to hear you chime in.
Of course we could do separate threads for how different countries "whisper" in different chapters of "The Foresight War."
My focus is primarily on the Canadian side of World War 2.

The Royal Canadian Navy fixates on anti-submarine and convoy escort duties and does a better job of it.
For example, lay hydrophones in the Saint Lawrence River before the start of the war. McGill University devotes more efforts to perfecting radar and sonar.
The Royal Canadian Navy Reserve recruits and trains far more young sailors before the war. Think of it as a form of unemployment insurance during the "Dirty Thirties." Most RCNVR sailors are sons of fishermen who play with guns and torpedoes during the off-season.
Flower class corvettes get stabilizers and better sensors.
As Tony already suggested, more MAC escort carriers.
The Royal Canadiian Navy's Fleet Air Arm ends up larger and more modern than the RCAF.
Canadian Car and Foundry and Grumman cooperate to design a much-updated STOL monoplane to replace Swordfish. I its not vey fast, and has more windows (in the belly) but can still fly from the shortest of escort carriers.
CCF never gets involved in the whole Curtiss Helldiver contract, but instead continues to build Grummans under license. The only distraction is the hundreds of Budd Conestogas built under license in Fort William, Ontario.
Noordyun designs a "Longship: with a 1,000 radial engine. He subcontracts much of the sheet metal work to Fairchild of Canada.
Fairchild of Canada develops a simplified (constant chord wings) version of the PT-19 that is ready for production in 1939.
Fairchild of Canada also develops a funky, single-engined monoplane, with an inverted V tail for the sole purpose of training turret gunners.
Victory Aircraft only builds a handful of Hampdens before switching to Lancaster production. Most of those Lancasters end up patrolling the Western Atlantic Ocean. Soon Victory converts to Avro York production, eventually developing York Mark II and the York Mark III with tri-gear and a ramp under the tail.
A burnt-out Barnes Wallace vacations in Montreal and finds McGill University - plus a few quiet bankers - provide a far more pleasant research environment. His prototype (centrifugal compressor) engines test-fly - much earlier - under a Mosquito borrowed from DHC. Escaped Polish engineers design the first Commonwealth jet fighter.

Speaking of escaped Polish engineers, a few of them build POLSTEN 20mm prototypes in an Ontario factory. Another Polish engineer develops a simplified, bullpup, STEN SMG with a magazine that lays under and parallel to the barrel. It has barely enough wooden furniture to prevent fingers freezing to stocks. It is only about 20 inches long and replaces pistols for most tankers, gunners, sappers, etc.
During the "Bren Gun Scandal" another escaped engineer - this time from Czechoslovakia - teams up with Huot to submit an alternate bid for light machine guns, albeit belt-fed. Ironically, John Inglis Inc. produces 80 percent of the parts under sub-contract.
Speaking of tankers, General Worthington gets the "big gun" Ram Mark III tank that he requested all along. Montreal Locomotive Works builds one batch, but ends up supplying cast turrets to British Sherman Firefly conversions. The cast turret is so long that it resembles a King Tiger or M-41 Walker Bulldog in profile. These Canadian variants are festooned with steel lockers, tool boxes and turret baskets.
GMC develops a 6 x 6 APC based on a CMP truck chassis. It has side and rear doors and a steel roof thick enough to protect from rain and schrapnel.
 
'Ah, Constant. Just the man. You know that chap up in Rugby? The RAF officer with the paraffin hairdryer. Yes, him. You might want to take him seriously.'
 
Hello tony,
Glad to hear you chime in.
Of course we could do separate threads for how different countries "whisper" in different chapters of "The Foresight War."
My focus is primarily on the Canadian side of World War 2.
Canada developed quite a few interesting pieces of kit, but hardly any of them got into service. For instance, the Inglis 20 mm cannon, which started off using Oerlikon ammo. The British kept messing them about, first insisting that it had to use Hispano ammo instead, and when that conversion job had been done, deciding they wanted it to use Oerlikon ammo after all. By the time that was sorted out there was no longer a need. Although the quad mount developed for it proved useful when fitted with Polstens.

When it comes down to it, though, the characteristics of individual items of kit rarely made a significant difference to the outcome. What was needed - and was done - was to select suitable kit which was adequate to do the job, then simplify the manufacture so it could be made as quickly and cheaply as possible.
 
Would it be too late to push the US Army towards adopting the .276 Pedersen? That opens up a different path of small arms development for the US.

Also make sure US Army and Navy weapons development takes a good look at the old Gatling gun concept. I'd try to push the engineers towards the direction of bringing it up the technological standards of the day and seeing what they could do with it.
 
Also make sure US Army and Navy weapons development takes a good look at the old Gatling gun concept. I'd try to push the engineers towards the direction of bringing it up the technological standards of the day and seeing what they could do with it.
Why though? Given the threats of the day, it's a weapon without a purpose. You didn't need the mass volume of fire that an electrified Gatling gun can give you.
 
Why though? Given the threats of the day, it's a weapon without a purpose. You didn't need the mass volume of fire that an electrified Gatling gun can give you.
It could lead to useful short range anti-aircraft weapons for shipboard or vehicle use. Late in the war it might be very useful for countering the kamikaze threat. Perhaps you could get some sort of proto-Vulcan for larger twin engine or jet powered aircraft.
 
Would it be too late to push the US Army towards adopting the .276 Pedersen? That opens up a different path of small arms development for the US...

Probably. Might it have been simpler to go with a commercially-available round like the .300 Savage? Same bore as the .30-06 Springfield but with a shorter, lighter case (7.62 x 47.5 mm). In other words, easier to retrofit existing weapons (whereas Pedersen requires rebarrelling) but light enough to carry a few more rounds.
 
Why though? Given the threats of the day, it's a weapon without a purpose. You didn't need the mass volume of fire that an electrified Gatling gun can give you.
It could lead to useful short range anti-aircraft weapons for shipboard or vehicle use. Late in the war it might be very useful for countering the kamikaze threat. Perhaps you could get some sort of proto-Vulcan for larger twin engine or jet powered aircraft.
But again, why? For the aircraft of the day, a standard 20mm Oerlikon is more than enough. You don't need the "bullet hose" that a phalanx gives you until your threats are flying best or above Mach 1. You also really need the entire system to be effective. You need a radar guided and automatically aimed weapon to be effective with that rate of fire. Otherwise you're just wasting ammo. If this question was asked in the 50s, you'd be right on the money with the answer. But in the 30s, it's just too early
 
I have yet to see a clear explanation why the British failed to produce a 120 mm destroyer gun mount capable of high angle fire prior to WW2... when they had introduced the Mark VIII version already from the mid 1920s and planned its use on the A class leaders as well.

To enable the guns to elevate high-enough, the trunnions would have to be placed much higher. This means that in a low angle role, loaders would have to reach above their heads to load shells into the breech.

The 40 degree elevation of prewar mountings was certainly sufficient to contribute to the defence of other units from air attack, and prior to the war Britain did not think that destroyers were valuable enough to be attacked from the air.

Logically they should had just updated Mark VIII to use separate ammunition instead of fixed ammunition to increase rate of fire. The standard gun should had been the 4.7"/45 Mark F Vickers built for Spain only with separate ammunition. Instead they tried to design a 5.1 in gun with fixed ammunition, when they already found the 4.7in fixed round too heavy, rejected that on grounds of the fixed round being heavy (well duh I say, did you really need to build it first to get it?) and then went and developed yet another round in 4.5in... again with fixed ammunition heavier than the one they found problematic on Nelson. It's not making any logical sense.

So just point out the obvious...
The Spanish 4.7 inch gun and the MkVIII fired shells lighter than the 55lb shell fired by the Mk IX, let alone the 62pdr shell fired by the Mk XI. Not to mention that export designs tended not to meet UK requirements.

The Mk VIII was not intended to be fitted to Codrington. Codrington was originally planned to have a single Mk IX gun on a mounting capable of 60 degree elevation in B position, which is where the confusion may have crept in.

As for the fixed-ammunition 4.5in guns, they were initially only used by large capital ships in between deck mounts. Shells were moved in hoists to handing rooms directly around the mountings, and only had to be moved a short distance. Such ships are considerably steadier than destroyers, meaning it was much easier to handle the shells, and the between-deck design meant that the shell hoists were likely much closer to the mountings than 4.7" Mk VIIIs.

These mountings were still criticised for their low rate of fire when placed on the Battle class.

My preference would something similar in concept to the 4.6in "bastard" mentioned in Nelson to Vanguard, only with enough room for recoil, essentially putting the 62pdr 4.7"/50 Mk XI in a new mounting with an 80 degree elevation. You get the excellent low-angle performance of the 4.7"/50 Mk XI with its 62pdr shell, with the high-angle performance of the 4.5 inch mountings. The mounting should be a "long stalk" design, with the hoists rotating with the gun house, or alternatively, an upper-deck design similar to the 4.5" Mk VI with a gunbay immediately below the mounting, in which ammunition is transferred to hoists that do rotate with the mounting.

A large destroyer, similar to L.72, L.90 or a Daring could be built at yards with slips large enough to take them, with a smaller destroyer, similar to the War Emergency types, Weapon class or Gallant class being built at yards with shorter slips.
 
One path to be explored could be Power Jets. When Whittle formed it in 1936 they had O. T. Falk and Partners as bankers who agreed to raise funds for the company in return for shares, unfortunately they were either unable to do so or backed out which left Power Jets short of money. IIRC one major effect of this was that they were only able to have a few engines put together at any one time so if there was an accident or they wanted to try something new they had to spend time rebuilding or modifying them leading to delays. If instead the company was able to have a larger number of engines it means they can rebuild or tinker with different parts and test them without losing time. A quiet word with the right industrialists or financiers could do wonders.


... automatic rifle - UK license the Garand FFS...
Why? As far as I'm aware the Lee-Enfield was adequate for the job, IIRC the UK still had a lot of .303 ammunition in the 1930s, and it would be terribly complicated and expensive when money in general was in short supply and the Army was third in line behind the Royal Navy and the RAF when it came to the defence budget. Considering that most casualties were caused by machine guns, mortars, and artillery it seems a little pointless. Far better to find either an alternative weapon or some way for the Bren to be belt-fed.
 
Hello tony,
Glad to hear you chime in.
Of course we could do separate threads for how different countries "whisper" in different chapters of "The Foresight War."
My focus is primarily on the Canadian side of World War 2.
Canada developed quite a few interesting pieces of kit, but hardly any of them got into service. For instance, the Inglis 20 mm cannon, which started off using Oerlikon ammo. The British kept messing them about, first insisting that it had to use Hispano ammo instead, and when that conversion job had been done, deciding they wanted it to use Oerlikon ammo after all. By the time that was sorted out there was no longer a need. Although the quad mount developed for it proved useful when fitted with Polstens.

When it comes down to it, though, the characteristics of individual items of kit rarely made a significant difference to the outcome. What was needed - and was done - was to select suitable kit which was adequate to do the job, then simplify the manufacture so it could be made as quickly and cheaply as possible.

Yes Tony,
The British War Office delayed and messed up numerous armaments projects invented in the colonies. Canada tried developing a semi-auto rifle firing 7.92 mm ammo, but by the time the Brits had examined it, the war was almost over. The Canadian prototype rifle looked like a G43 from a distance, meaning that it required expensive, traditional manufacturing methods.
The Canadian-made Sten Mark III only cost $8 and was more reliable than earlier variants. An imported engineer (Polish or Czech) also built a Sten prototype with the magazine slung lengthwise under the action.
Why Britain needed 2 slightly different patterns of 20 X 110 mm ammo (Oerlikon and Hispano-Suiza) is a mystery to me????? HS 404 was the more potent round preferred for installation in Hurricanes, Spitfires, Beaufighters, Typhoons, Mosquitos, etc.

The worse colonial abuse was Mr. Owen's attempts at developing a uniquely Australian submachine gun. After numerous calibre changes, etc. Owen eventually developed a simple, reliable SMG that was popular with diggers and a fraction of the cost of an Austen. The ridiculously complex Austen was a result of production engineers losing touch with what the poor bloody infantry needed!

"Secret Weapons of the Canadian Army" is a fascinating book on this subject.
 
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One path to be explored could be Power Jets. When Whittle formed it in 1936 they had O. T. Falk and Partners as bankers who agreed to raise funds for the company in return for shares, unfortunately they were either unable to do so or backed out which left Power Jets short of money. IIRC one major effect of this was that they were only able to have a few engines put together at any one time so if there was an accident or they wanted to try something new they had to spend time rebuilding or modifying them leading to delays. If instead the company was able to have a larger number of engines it means they can rebuild or tinker with different parts and test them without losing time. A quiet word with the right industrialists or financiers could do wonders.


... automatic rifle - UK license the Garand FFS...
Why? As far as I'm aware the Lee-Enfield was adequate for the job, IIRC the UK still had a lot of .303 ammunition in the 1930s, and it would be terribly complicated and expensive when money in general was in short supply and the Army was third in line behind the Royal Navy and the RAF when it came to the defence budget. Considering that most casualties were caused by machine guns, mortars, and artillery it seems a little pointless. Far better to find either an alternative weapon or some way for the Bren to be belt-fed.
I fired the 303 as an air cadet, and used the slr/fal, and then the sa80, plus the old Sterling smg. No one other than a sniper would choose a bolt action. The Germans I think rated the mg42 as 80% of a sections firepower. The us Messed up with the BAR, or the browning mg, too heavy etc.

Bren Or similar, plus garand would have been very strong, imho.
 
Dear Siberia,
I disagree that the .303 Lee-Enfield rifle was adequette for WW2. The Canadian Army fought the: Boer War, First World War, Second World War and Korean War with essentially the same Lee-Enfield rifles. By the Korean War, Lee-Enfields were hopelessly obsolete. Canadian soldiers would have been much better armed with semi-automatic rifles like Garands.
The ideal Canadian rifle would include the minimum number of machined parts (barrel and bolt) with the maximum number of stamped sheet steel parts (ala. FG42 Mark 2, Stg 44 or post-war CETME and G3). Install just enough wooden furniture to prevent hands from freezing to rifles while laying in ambush. Quick-change box magazines would also improve rate-of-fire. A side-folding butt-stock would make life easier for paratroopers, motorized infantry, etc.

Even the Brits admitted that the rimmed .303 cartridge was a pain to feed through machine guns. They attempted to replace it with a rimless variant, but ran out of time and money before WW2 kicked off.
Note that many British tankers fired rimless, 7.92 mm ammo from their Besa medium machineguns.
 
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Another thought.....nothing actually excluded the development of printed circuit boards, even if it's very chunky.

If printed circuit boards proved more reliable, they would be worth the effort. Even if those pcbs still connected vacuum tubes, they would probably still prove more durable.
 
Dear Siberia,
We do agree that a better-funded and better-managed Power Jets could have perfected production jet engines 2 or 3 years earlier. What Mr. Whittle really needed was teams of machinists and test-cell engineers to run extensive, side-by-side tests while he got a decent night's sleep. Whittle took so many benzadrine pills that he was a nervous wreck by the end of WW2.
 
If I'm advising the RN, first I say don't be so conservative in engineering. Look into high pressure steam systems and double reduction gears. Emphasize build quality in engineering plants, focus on minimizing steam leaks and use additives to keep tubes clean.
Get the FAA back sooner than 1937, and push at least some of the aviation industry to focus on naval aviation, like Grumman and Vought in the US.
With aircraft under Navy control, explore the threats of the torpedo bomber and the dive bomber. Don't listen to the RAF officer in 1934, and develop a predictive AA fire control that can deal with both low-flying torpedo bomber and high-flying level and dive bombers. Expect enemy aircraft performance to increase quickly if war comes, and anticipate aircraft with higher speeds, higher service ceilings and better performance, especially carrying ordnance.
Forget about using the 2 million leftover 2 pdr rounds from World War One. Try to sell them off to friendly navies like Brazil and Chile. Develop a modern medium AA gun in the 37mm-57mm range.with ease of loading and a decent rate of fire.
Standardize all capital ship and cruiser secondary and carrier main armament on a high-angle 4.7in/45 compatible with destroyer guns. Make all destroyer guns capable of high-angle firing. Arrange accidents for as many Exchequers as necessary to get this paid for.
Don't fall into the cruiser scramble. Standardize on Town for big cruisers and Apollos for smaller cruisers. No Colonies, no Didos, no Swiftsures. If an AA cruiser is needed, convert C and D classes. If better cruiser AA is needed, delete X turret from the Apollo design and add an additional pair of DP 4.7in.
Strategically, never pull the T-class submarines from the Pacific.

My initial thoughts,
 
My preference would something similar in concept to the 4.6in "bastard" mentioned in Nelson to Vanguard, only with enough room for recoil, essentially putting the 62pdr 4.7"/50 Mk XI in a new mounting with an 80 degree elevation. You get the excellent low-angle performance of the 4.7"/50 Mk XI with its 62pdr shell, with the high-angle performance of the 4.5 inch mountings.
As in The Foresight War... :cool:
 
Why Britain needed 2 slightly different patterns of 20 X 110 mm ammo (Oerlikon and Hispano-Suiza) s a mystery to me????? HS 404 was the more potent round preferred for installation in Hurricanes, Spitfires, Beaufighters, Typhoons, Mosquitos, etc.
Certain types of ammo were needed for certain types of gun. The Oerlikon's API Blowback system needed the rebated-rim ammo design - the Hispano ammo could never work in any version of the Oerlikon, however modified. The Hispano cannon could have been modified to fire the Oerlikon ammo, but there wasn't much point.

Publishing a revised version of The Foresight War is on my to-do list. I have no significant changes to the story planned, just technology adjustments. The Hispano gets ditched, it's Oerlikons all the way!
 
The ideal Canadian rifle would include the minimum number of machined parts (barrel and bolt) with the maximum number of stamped sheet steel parts (ala. FG42 Mark 2, Stg 44 or post-war CETME and G3). Install just enough wooden furniture to prevent hands from freezing to rifles while laying in ambush. Quick-change box magazines would also improve rate-of-fire. A side-folding butt-stock would make life easier for paratroopers, motorized infantry, etc.
Small-arms is one area which will be completely changed in the new version of the book. If you recall, TFW involves retaining the .303 ammo and guns (in fact, introducing a new semi-auto bullpup rifle in .303), and making a super-SMG in 9 x 25 Mauser calibre. What I am planning now is the introduction of a new bullpup rifle firing a .270 rimless cartridge (as done in the late 1940s). The gun would come in two versions: a heavy-barrel automatic rifle with a bipod, roughly equivalent to the FG 42 (only with less powerful ammo) and later a shorter-barrelled, lighter carbine version. This would not immediately replace the existing .303 kit which will remain in production for some time, but would be used to equip the Paras and Marine Commandos entirely, and then gradually spread throughout the army.
 
Forget about using the 2 million leftover 2 pdr rounds from World War One. Try to sell them off to friendly navies like Brazil and Chile. Develop a modern medium AA gun in the 37mm-57mm range.with ease of loading and a decent rate of fire.
Actually, new 2pdr ammo and guns were introduced before WW2, but as in TFW I would have given top priority to the Bofors for the army and navy; initially in 40 mm calibre, but with a 57 mm version on the way (as it historically was - I would just pay Bofors to accelerate its development).
 
Actually, new 2pdr ammo and guns were introduced before WW2, but as in TFW I would have given top priority to the Bofors for the army and navy; initially in 40 mm calibre, but with a 57 mm version on the way (as it historically was - I would just pay Bofors to accelerate its development).

Hi Tony,.

I'm aware they produced more 2pdr ammunition. Always made me curious as to what vintage the round aboard Prince of Wales were that separated in the belts in the Med, Indian and South China Sea., but I digress.
Bofors had an excellent weapon, but my understanding is the plans needed refinement when the US licensed them. So many parts were labeled 'file to fit', the US practically had to redraw everything to make it suitable for mass production.

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Bofors had an excellent weapon, but my understanding is the plans needed refinement when the US licensed them. So many parts were labeled 'file to fit', the US practically had to redraw everything to make it suitable for mass production.
Correct - the British did the same. Both countries managed to get the manufacturing cost down to about 50% of the original figure. Of course, the drawings had to be redone anyway as they would originally have been metric.
 
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