TheRejectionist
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What would would happen in a scenario where there Arab coalition DEFEATED the newborn state of Israel OR it is NEVER voted in the UN to exist ?
Why the Democratic party specifically? Just because they were the ruling party of the time?All the surviving Jews would have emigrated to the USA, strengthening the lobby and the Democratic Party even more, taking advantage of the psychological impact of the Soah Mk. II
To avoid the "Lindbergh Effect" by all meansWhy the Democratic party specifically? Just because they were the ruling party of the time?
Andorra
Yup. In this new timeline, Andorra, Switzerland and the Papal States of Rome, Naples and Medina evolve into substantial naval powers.Andorra could use its Carrier Battle Groups and Marine Expeditionary Division to stake its claim.
UN would likely not allow outright defeat of Israel. It would seriously harm the prestige of great powers, to get their decisions openly denied. So if the Israel would be losing, USA and USSR would likely interfer, pushing for the UN approval of "police action" first, and sending military forces second.What would would happen in a scenario where there Arab coalition DEFEATED the newborn state of Israel OR it is NEVER voted in the UN to exist ?
Sure, why not, but with respect to US domestic/internal politics you might want to consider the potential impact of an additional newly minted US state with a presumably staunchly/mostly liberal/leftist/progressive electorate on nationwide house, senate, and presidential elections - I really hope I'll wake up in that alternate universe tomorrow...... resulting in a 'golden era' of peace, prosperity and technological advancement across the progressive Arab states![]()
The Arabs have only hated the Jews since 1947, but they have hated the Europeans since the Crusades, it has been fortunate for us that they wasted so much time attacking Israel... before fracking.Without Israel to hate on, all the Arab nations fall upon each other in one of the bloodiest, most genocidal wars in history. The civilized world builds a fence around the Middle East and watches and waits; when they finally wipe each other out, it's back to 19th century colonialism as France and Britain and Russia and Andorra rush to snag now-depopulated terrain and natural resources. But by this time the world has gotten along for a generation or two without ME oil, so the now Atom powered global civilization only needs oil for stuff like plastic.
The European Jews who immigrated en masse to the US in the late 1940s now immigrate into the newly formed state of Greater Israel, stretching from the wastes formerly known as Cairo to the new theme park on the remains of what once was Mecca.
I am a mix of ethnicities and nationalities and while passionate about (mostly contemporary) history, I am not following what Lindbergh has to do with it.To avoid the "Lindbergh Effect" by all means
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I have somewhat doubtful they will TURN on EACH OTHER that quickly or that they will go "Dirlernwanger" on their neighbors.Without Israel to hate on, all the Arab nations fall upon each other in one of the bloodiest, most genocidal wars in history. The civilized world builds a fence around the Middle East and watches and waits; when they finally wipe each other out, it's back to 19th century colonialism as France and Britain and Russia and Andorra rush to snag now-depopulated terrain and natural resources. But by this time the world has gotten along for a generation or two without ME oil, so the now Atom powered global civilization only needs oil for stuff like plastic.
The European Jews who immigrated en masse to the US in the late 1940s now immigrate into the newly formed state of Greater Israel, stretching from the wastes formerly known as Cairo to the new theme park on the remains of what once was Mecca.
I read it and funnily enough I understood MORE about these alternate scenario than how they found the "whodunit". I don't particulary enjoy on his work on Stark Trek (and from I heard he's a very unethical person in his non-working-life).There is an alternative history novel, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yiddish_Policemen's_Union, which is based on a scenario in which during WW II a temporary settlement for Jewish refugees is established in Alaska (of all places - oy vey!) in 1941, and incipient Israel is subsequently destroyed in 1948. Personally, I think though that as opposed to putting people with a hot desert dweller ancestry from historically living roughly around 30 degrees latitude North of the Equator into a climate and culture shock like that, my favorite and in my view much more plausible alternative scenario would instead be a US post WW II strictly voluntary permanent Jewish refugee resettlement offer onto US Federal Land in Nevada, since it is the state with the highest percentage of USG national owned real estate property, with 80.1% of its total landmass being federally managed, and, let's face it, present day Israel is a desert nation as well. I'll leave it as an exercise to the student to compare total land dry and wet areas and carve out favorite gerrymandering maps on the basis of the relevant area sizes between Israel and Nevada. One could even imagine the associated territory before long becoming the 49th state of the union way before Alaska and Hawaii - let's call it New Judea, New Israel, New Bethlehem, or some other such pseudo religio-cute hoyty-toyto hifalutin moniker. It's anyone's guess how many more casinos that state might have by now, but imagine also the potential impact on both national and international politics - please discuss...
That's the premise of many "what ifs" I heard from Levantine and North Africans and other pro-Palestinians but I am doubtful of an idyllic scenario. I think it is a middle...ground to what you and @Orionblamblam said, also because many of the things that happen post-1947/8 can be construed or considered AS a result of Israel's coming (or returning) on the map.... resulting in a 'golden era' of peace, prosperity and technological advancement across the progressive Arab states![]()
Aren't adherents to Judaism in the United States mostly secular or what be construed as "left-leaning" / "progressive" and the remaining part a mish mash of followers to "Kahanism", Orthodox Judaism and then anything in between?Sure, why not, but with respect to US domestic/internal politics you might want to consider the potential impact of an additional newly minted US state with a presumably staunchly/mostly liberal/leftist/progressive electorate on nationwide house, senate, and presidential elections - I really hope I'll wake up in that alternate universe tomorrow...
There's was an anti-Jewish pogrom in Damascus in 1890s if I recall corretly. But I think it is a mixed bag mostly.The Arabs have only hated the Jews since 1947, but they have hated the Europeans since the Crusades, it has been fortunate for us that they wasted so much time attacking Israel... before fracking.
I bought the book when it came out because I had read some of Michael Chabon's earlier work. Loved it, as everything since I have read by him.There is an alternative history novel, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yiddish_Policemen's_Union
I haven't come across any of that, news to me. I bailed on ST several decades ago.I don't particulary enjoy on his work on Stark Trek (and from I heard he's a very unethical person in his non-working-life).