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when in reality it took a whole five extra days, and according to the wiki you posted, didn't derail or delay the surrender one damn bit. So I guess its your definition of "immediately" for the government it was 24 hours, for the army 96 (well not the whole army, but elements). which after 4 years of war is pretty immediate for me.


 So your argument is that a small portion of soldiers, unrepresentative of the IJA vowed to fight on, partook in a failed coup, and then killed themselves and everything went as planned anyway, with that IJA calling it quits like everyone else; means the army had not given up. I had no idea the Imperial army was multifaceted and democratic that it took unanimous decisions by all involved, rather than the official orders of those in charge to surrender. I learned something today.


so elements in the army had one last desperate gamble to make it and they made it and the next day the war was over anyway.




Too bad the decision wasn't up to the army. I am perfectly aware that elements within the army are not the army as well. They are elements of it. Armies are famously top down organizations, and often what a few people think or is this case do against orders, really doesn't change official policy.


It really doesn't matter but ok:


the army decided to surrender four days later than when government decided to surrender before everyone officially surrendered on the same day anyway.



I'll agree with you-- the Imperial army just like japan never officially gave up -- right up to the day it officially surrendered. They were officially still at war up until then. Whether they spent that time drinking, smoking, fighting, chasing girls, or launching coups really doesn't matter to me, as five days later (again your definition of immediate, and mine may differ) the war was over.  end result is the same, surrender due to atom bombs. tamoto patoto


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