Unknown aircraft crash ?

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November 16, 1987
Pilot: UNKNOWN (USAF)
Pilot killed in crash
A possible reported crash of a stealth aircraft occurred November 16, 1987. An aircraft, described by Pentagon sources as a top-secret stealth fighter, crashed in a rugged desert area, killing the pilot.

Major Victor Andrijauskas, a USAF official at Nellis AFB, Nevada, stated that the aircraft was flying over the Nellis gunnery range when it crashed. Another Pentagon official said at the time that the plane was similar to the one that crashed in California the year before.(1986)
This reference to Maj. Mulhare's crash is an example of the U.S. Air Force using the F-117A program to cover crashes of other types of secret aircraft.

From :

http://www.f-117a.com/Unknown.html
 
It's late at night and my brain is befuzzled but I think this refers to either a Have Blue crash or a Mig-23 crash which was part of the Constant Peg program.
 
Nick said:
It's late at night and my brain is befuzzled but I think this refers to either a Have Blue crash or a Mig-23 crash which was part of the Constant Peg program.

Not the Mig-23 crash that killed General Bonds, that was April 26, 1984. Have Blue 001 crashed on May 4, 1978. Have Blue 002 was lost on July 11, 1979. F-117A #815 lost on October 14, 1987 on or near the Nellis Range. Source: Peebles, Curtis. 1995. Dark Eagles: A history of Top Secret U.S. Aircraft Programs.
 
Nick said:
It's late at night and my brain is befuzzled but I think this refers to either a Have Blue crash or a Mig-23 crash which was part of the Constant Peg program.

Aircraft Losses
Have Blue 1001
May 4, 1978
Pilot: Bill Park (LADC)
On May 4, 1978,Lockheed's Bill Park was landing Have Blue 1001 on it's 36th flight when the high-sink-rate tendency of the aircraft caused it tohit the ground hard. The extremely high sweep of the wings and fast approach speed (around 180 mph) meant that either a single-wheel belly landing or asemicontrolled landing on the nose and uneven main gear would have thesame outcome: the plane would tumble sideways down the field, breaking apart, and the pilot would be killed.

From link:

http://www.f-117a.com/HB1.html

Aircraft Losses
Have Blue 1002
July 11, 1979
Pilot: Norman K "Ken" Dyson (USAF)
On July 11, 1979,the Have Blue 1002 had completed 52 sorties. United States Air Force test pilot LTC Norman K. "Ken" Dyson (later chief test pilot for the Northrop B-2) took the aircraft up for some tests against the US Air Force's best fighter radar,the air to air radar on the F-15. Above the northern part of the Nellis range, a weld in a hydraulic line cracked, spraying fluid onto the hot section of one of its J85 engines. The fluid ignited and the blaze became uncontrollable.

From link :

http://www.f-117a.com/HB2.html

Mig-23

Lt. Gen. Robert M "Bobby" Bond (USAF)
Killed in high speed ejection April 26, 1984
NOT a F-117A (USAF operated Mig 23)
Cause: Loss of control during high-altitude, supersonic flight
It has been reported in many publications that Lt. Gen. Robert M Bond, vice commander of the Air Force Systems Command, died in a crash of the then secret F-117A at the Tonopah Test Range in Nevada in the mid-1980s.

From link :

http://www.f-117a.com/Bond.html
 
I thought that the AF denied Gen Bond's involvement in CONSTANT PEG when the program was made public.
 
CFE said:
I thought that the AF denied Gen Bond's involvement in CONSTANT PEG when the program was made public.

The Associated Press, May 7, 1984
The Associated Press
The materials in the AP file were compiled by The Associated Press. These materials may not be republished without the express written consent of The Associated Press.
May 7, 1984, Monday, PM cycle
SECTION: Washington Dateline
LENGTH: 975 words
HEADLINE: Allies Help Pentagon Obtain Soviet Arms
BYLINE: By FRED S. HOFFMAN, AP Military Writer
DATELINE: WASHINGTON
BODY:
With help from its friends, the United States has quietly obtained Soviet weapons and gained vital information on their strengths and weaknesses for nearly two decades.
The government has always been reluctant to discuss such acquisitions for fear of embarrassing the friendly donors, but the spotlight was turned anew on the subject after a three-star Air Force general was killed April 26 in a Nevada plane crash that was quickly cloaked in secrecy.
Pentagon sources said Lt. Gen. Robert M. Bond, vice commander of the Air Force Systems Command, died while at the controls of a supersonic Soviet MiG-23 fighter.
Sources who spoke on condition they remain anonymous have indicated the MiG-23, the most advanced Soviet warplane ever to fall permanently into U.S. hands, was supplied to this country by Egypt.
Since turning away from the Soviet Union, its main arms supplier for 20 years, the Egyptian government has grown closer to the United States in the last decade and is modernizing its forces with American-made arms and planes. It reportedly has turned over samples of its stock of Soviet gear.
Israel also has been a major supplier of a wide range of Soviet-made air and ground weapons it captured from Arab armies in a series of wars.
And Japan helped by allowing U.S. technicians to virtually to pull apart a Soviet MiG-25 interceptor flown there by a defecting pilot in 1976.
Even after U.S. relations with Israel fell to perhaps their lowest point following the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in mid-1982, intelligence information on the performance of Soviet warplanes and missiles _ and even captured weapons _ continued to flow to the United States.
In February 1983, Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger told reporters,"We are getting ... a substantial flow of information and actual weapons and weapons systems that were captured by the Israelis."
Israeli forces had defeated Syrian air and ground units in and over Lebanon's Bekaa Valley and, as in previous Arab-Israeli wars, reaped a harvest of arms supplied to the Syrians by the Soviets.
Intelligence and military officials have refused to identify any weapons sent to the United States since the most recent fighting.
Defense sources said the United States has several types of Soviet warplanes, but "no great numbers." These include MiG-21s, MiG-19s and some earlier models.
While the versions of the MiGs exported by Moscow to clients and friends are less sophisticated than those in the Soviet air force, U.S. technicians said they can still learn much by studying and test-flying the models made available to them.
Among other things, the specialists said, U.S. pilots and engineers can determine the handling characteristics of these aircraft, their fuel consumption, electronics and even the technology used in their manufacture.
American pilots, for example, can learn about a Soviet pilot's ability to see enemy aircraft from his cockpit. Such information, along with other data on performance and design, can affect the way American fighters are built to deal with their potential Soviet opponents.
Some of the most dramatic instances of Israeli shipments of Soviet-made equipment to the United States occurred during the 1973 war.
The Israelis, crossing the Suez Canal, captured an SA-6 anti-aircraft missile system intact. Used for the first time in combat, it had inflicted heavy damage on Israel's U.S.-equipped air force.
Pentagon sources said at the time the captured SA-6 system was flown to the United States in a C-5 transport plane while the war was still going on. It was sent to an Air Force laboratory, dismantled and its components examined, tested and assessed within a few days.
In part because of this, U.S. sources have said, the Israelis were supplied with information on how to deal with the SA-6 and the weapon was quickly neutralized.
Technicians also found that Soviet anti-tank missiles were more accurate and lethal than anticipated and, as a result, the United States developed more resistant armor for its tanks.
The United States got enough Soviet-made tanks, armored personnel carriers, artillery and other arms and equipment that the Army was able to use to create special units that serve as enemy forces in troop maneuvers.
According to Pentagon sources, the U.S. Army has a variety of Soviet-built tanks at Fort Hood, Texas, and the Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland.
Although the United States has not yet gotten its hands on some of the latest Soviet tanks, such as the T-72, its technicians have been able to examine improved engines, armor and chemical warfare equipment on tanks of older designs still in use by the Red Army.
The defection by Soviet Lt. Viktor Belenko in a MiG-25 he flew to Japan in September 1976, was regarded as a windfall by U.S. technical intelligence.
American engineers found the MiG-25's engines "very impressive." Although their initial appraisal tended to downgrade the plane's other features, a more exhaustive study led the engineers to change their minds and give the aircraft higher marks.
Sometimes the U.S. government has found itself embarrassed and forced to acknowledge the arrival of Soviet-made equipment because it was seen.
In July 1979, a Yugoslavian vessel unloaded armored personnel carriers, small arms and ammunition at the Naval Ammunition Depot in Earle, N.J.
Under pressure, the Pentagon acknowledged it was "equipment from various Warsaw Pact countries."
The disclosure led the Army to admit it had used a private firm as a channel for acquiring the gear. Asked how the unidentified company had obtained the Soviet bloc weaponry, the Pentagon said only that "foreign equipment is often purchased by private dealers for resale."

http://www.internetpirate.com/bond.htm
 
The date of the AP news story that was undoubtedly the source for this was 10/15/87 , the day after 815 was lost.
 
Two F-117A aircraft were lost during development phase and I believe this must have been the second one. Remember that at that time the type (which was NOT yet called the Nighthawk) was still secret, it was only revealed in the spring of 1989 I think, and that's probably because its brief involvement in the Panama crisis could no longer keep it a secret.
 
Stargazer2006 said:
Two F-117A aircraft were lost during development phase and I believe this must have been the second one. Remember that at that time the type (which was NOT yet called the Nighthawk) was still secret, it was only revealed in the spring of 1989 I think, and that's probably because its brief involvement in the Panama crisis could no longer keep it a secret.

But the website list F-117As lost during development , seems like don't includd this :

Aircraft Losses
Ltc Bob Ridenhauer (LADC)
Bandit #103 (????, 1982)
April 20, 1982
F-117A #80-785
Cause: Crossed controls
The first crashof aproduction F-117A occurred on April 20, 1982 during its first test flight(but before the acceptance flight, therefore the aircraft not beingcounted as accepted in the manifest) by Lockheed test pilotLtc BobRidenhauer in aircraft #80-785. This aircraft, like thosebefore it, was delivered to Groom Lake on February 27, 1982 by a C-5 Cargo plane in threecomponents-the body, and the two wings. Once safely inside of a hanger, the wings were thenreinstalled.

The F-117A and all of it's controls appeared to function normally on theground and in taxi tests that had started on April 17th. (However, itshould be noted that the pilots who usually accompanied in achase car were all in the simulator.)On April 20th, 1982 Ridenauer opened the throttles and released thebrakes.The aircraft rolled to takeoff speed and Ridenauer pulled back on the stick to lift the craft's nose off the ground. Reports say the instant the nosewheel left the runway, the F-117A went bezerk, first yawing violently to one side and thenpitching upward, out of control, while continuing to diverge in yaw. Ridenauer never had the chance to eject before the F-117A lost control, went inverted and going backwards, and augered in on the side of the lake bed just off therunway, catching fire in the process.

http://www.f-117a.com/785.html

Aircraft Losses
Major Ross E. Mulhare (USAF)
Bandit #198 (Jan 7, 1986)
Killed July 11, 1986
F-117A #81-792
Cause: Spatial Disorientation
Air Force Major Ross E. Mulhare died in the crash of F-117A #81-792 on July 11, 1986 near Bakersfield, Calif. Major Mulhare, 35, was a native of Fall River, Mass., and was married and had four children. There had just been a celebration among the pilots one week before the crash on Mulhare's birthday-the 4th of July. He was assigned to the 4450th Test Squadron (Nightstalkers), 4450th TG.

http://www.f-117a.com/792.html

Aircraft Losses
Major Michael C. Stewart (USAF)
Bandit #231 (May 1, 1987)
Killed October 14, 1987
F-117A #83-815
Cause: Spatial Disorientation
Major Michael C. Stewart was kiled when his F-117A #83-815 crashed on October 14, 1987, at 8:33 PM about 100 miles north of Nellis AFB, just east of Tonopah. Stewart was just 40 minutes into a routine single-ship sortie when his plane crashed into the gently sloping terrain 60 miles east of Alamo, Nevada. According to the crash report, BURNR (pronounced burner) 54's procedures and radio transmissions were normal. Visibility was clear, but there was no moon that night, and there were no lights out on the Nellis range to help the pilot to distinguish the ground. The report also states that BURNR 54 departed on "the planned heading of 273", but "the last radar plot of the aircraft shows...deviation from the planned track." The aircraft struck the earth "at a steep angle, digging a hole approximately six or seven feet" deep, and investigators came to the conclusion that Stewart "was commanding slightly nose up with a moderate left bank" at the time of impact.

http://www.f-117a.com/815.html
 
seruriermarshal said:
Major Victor Andrijauskas, a USAF official at Nellis AFB
oh, that typical American surname)
 
:eek: Only knew about the Mulhare and Stewart crashes. Had never heard of Ridenhauer's before. :-[
The one I assumed corresponded to seruriermarshal's item was Stewart's, but apparently this took place a whole month after it... Ah well... :-\
Let me see the bright side: one more piece of evidence towards the existence of a Northrop F-19A test batch! (unless it was a TR-3A...)
 
Stargazer2006 said:
:eek: Only knew about the Mulhare and Stewart crashes. Had never heard of Ridenhauer's before. :-[
The one I assumed corresponded to seruriermarshal's item was Stewart's, but apparently this took place a whole month after it... Ah well... :-\
Let me see the bright side: one more piece of evidence towards the existence of a Northrop F-19A test batch! (unless it was a TR-3A...)

Why they still classified ? those project in 80s ...

???
 

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