UK aircraft mockups

[Johnbr]

BAe Warton P.103 BAe P.1205 Hawker P.1154

 

[SteveO]

Great thread topic, never seen the P.1205 mockup before.

 

[Mike Pryce]

The P.1205 did not have a mockup built. The image above is of the BAe Warton P.109, which used a 'twin poster' nozzle system.


Of course, Kingston did build a mockup of the P.1216


All are covered in my book

 

[Nick]

What happened to all the mockups? Were they broken up and destroyed or is there a chance they survive in a warehouse somewhere?

 

[davidy12]

I've gotta better question, did the 1154 ever have a cockpit shot?

 

[inkworm]

Are these really the only two photos of the P.1154? There has to be more out there somewhere I sincerely hope.

 

[Mike Pryce]

One more photo on my site:

http://www.harrier.org.uk/history/history_p1154.htm

plus the two seater.

There are more photos, whcih I scanned so long ago they live on a floppy disk I have, but no computer with a floppy drive...

 

[davidy12]

What about cockpit instrument photos hmmmm?????

 

[SteveO]

A full size mockup of the BAe P.125 was made.
Model pictured.

 

[Zoo Tycoon]

Back in 97 I found myself in the Chad archive on official bussines looking out data to support MRA4. Looking through piles of paper and with a bit of an interest in the Avro 730 I kept a close eye out for any references. Pickings were slim, but I did find a short memo which made reference to " an inspection of the full scale mock up of the Avro 730 on Woodford South Site". I know the Woodford photo store was lost in a fire, so I guess it's not suppriseing that photo may not exist but there is one well known heavily airbrushed picture which I've always assumed is a model. Just maybe?

 

[Cy-27]

The mock-up of the former Farnborough Aircraft F1 turboprop was found languishing at the NGTE Pyestock ( see
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1981.msg16860.html#msg16860 )

The photo below shows it in a better condition as the Richard Noble Farnborough Aircraft F1 Mock-up exhibit at Farnborough 26 July 2000.

Note the large rectangular cabin windows which were replaced by oval ones in the US built derivative.

The design rights were passed to a US company as the Kestrel JP100 (later JP10) after a manufacturing deal in the UAE fell through.

 

[Ingraman]

Bae P.125 mockup being made, apparently. Sadly no images of the final thing...

 

[blippedyblop]

What happened to all the mockups? Were they broken up and destroyed or is there a chance they survive in a warehouse somewhere?

I'd like to know as well. Did the P.1216 mockup survive?

 

[TsrJoe]

Srandard practice is broken up to make space for further work

 

[blippedyblop]

Srandard practice is broken up to make space for further work

Right, but is this the case for the P.1216?
As an example, the P.1121 mockup somehow survived all these decades.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Right, but is this the case for the P.1216?
As an example, the P.1121 mockup somehow survived all these decades.

Nope. The mockup was destroyed. What survived was the actual prototype.

 

[blippedyblop]

Nope. The mockup was destroyed. What survived was the actual prototype.

Are you referring to the P.1216, or the 1121?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

P.1121. There was no prototype P.1216.

 

[Pioneer]

A stand alone Mock-up Thread on this fine site would be great!!

Regards
Pioneer

 

[blippedyblop]

P.1121. There was no prototype P.1216.

Indeed. But there seems to be confusion as to whether what ended up at RAFM Cosford was the uncompleted prototype, or the mockup. I suppose to best way to determine that fully would be to visit Brooklands, where I believe it has been currently moved to.

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

It is 100% certainly not the mockup.

A mockup is made of wood typically, or even cardboard and foam.

The P.1121 remains are metal aircraft parts, and there or many dozens of photos of them under construction at Kingston, and later at Cranfield and Cosford.

There could have been a ground test airframe under construction as well as the prototype. You could make some kind of argument there, because that would have been constructed of metal identically to the prototype.

Not a mockup though.

 

[blippedyblop]

It is 100% certainly not the mockup.

A mockup is made of wood typically, or even cardboard and foam.

The P.1121 remains are metal aircraft parts, and there or many dozens of photos of them under construction at Kingston, and later at Cranfield and Cosford.

There could have been a ground test airframe under construction as well as the prototype. You could make some kind of argument there, because that would have been constructed of metal identically to the prototype.

Not a mockup though.

Thanks for clarifying! Which brings back the original question: What happened to the P.1216 mockup? Was it chopped up into firewood? Or has it, or parts of it somehow survived all these years?

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Long since destroyed.

 

[blippedyblop]

Long since destroyed.

That is a shame.