Twin engine F-84 drawing?

[famvburg]

I swear I have seen a drawing of an F-84F type with a solid nose and twin jets mounted on the rear fuselage similar to an A-10 and other twin fuselage mounted engined airplanes. Hesham even mentioned it in a post. I’ve searched but only Hesham’s mentioning shows up. Anyone ever seen this drawing anywhere? Thanks.

 

[aim9xray]

This is close, but probably not it: engines on the wings.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...reak-prototypes-and-projects.4884/#post-91662

I think I can imagine what you are talking about, but I don't hink that the F-84F was the base vehicle. Maybe an F-100?

 

[archipeppe]

Maybe you have seen the Boeing Skyfox derived by a T-33 with two engines like the A-10.....

 

[hesham]

I swear I have seen a drawing of an F-84F type with a solid nose and twin jets mounted on the rear fuselage similar to an A-10 and other twin fuselage mounted engined airplanes. Hesham even mentioned it in a post. I’ve searched but only Hesham’s mentioning shows up. Anyone ever seen this drawing anywhere? Thanks.

My dear Famvburg,

that;s so weird,we never heard about something like that,and here's all Info about F-84F.

 

[famvburg]

This is close, but probably not it: engines on the wings.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...reak-prototypes-and-projects.4884/#post-91662

I think I can imagine what you are talking about, but I don't hink that the F-84F was the base vehicle. Maybe an F-100?

I guess it could have been an F-100 or maybe an F-86 but I’m sure thinking it was based on the F-84F. Like I said, Hesham mentioned it in another F-84 post.

 

[famvburg]

This is close, but probably not it: engines on the wings.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...reak-prototypes-and-projects.4884/#post-91662

I think I can imagine what you are talking about, but I don't hink that the F-84F was the base vehicle. Maybe an F-100?

Close, I’ve seen it.

 

[famvburg]

Here is part of hesham’s post.

Hi,

there is many developments,which was intended to increase the F-84 life,
such as a twin engined version powered by two GE 1/J1Bs and a four
engined variant powered by GE J85s and designed for close air support
with a combat range of 200 miles

 

[hesham]

Here is part of hesham’s post.

Hi,

there is many developments,which was intended to increase the F-84 life,
such as a twin engined version powered by two GE 1/J1Bs and a four
engined variant powered by GE J85s and designed for close air support
with a combat range of 200 miles

My dear Famvburg,
if you meant this captions,OK,but as I know there was not a variant with
two engines mounted on the rear of the fuselage ?.

 

[publiusr]

Maybe you have seen the Boeing Skyfox derived by a T-33 with two engines like the A-10.....

View attachment 667778

A handsome airframe

 

[elmayerle]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

 

[Orionblamblam]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

That would be worth seeing. The brochure, not the dumpster diving.

 

[Pito]

It is very similar to the Spanish project Hispano Avición HA-500 Alacran from the 60s

 

[riggerrob]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

That would be worth seeing. The brochure, not the dumpster diving.

Have you read the textbook "The Fine Art of Dumpster-Diving?"

 

[kitnut617]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

Like a Canadair CL-76 maybe ?

 

[apparition13]

A question I've had regarding these types of modifications where fuselage engines are replaced with wing or pylon engines (especially when there are nose intakes). After the modification there is a huge remaining space where the engine and engine ducts were. Can those realistically be filled with fuel tanks? Or would that would doing so throw off weight balance (which can be handled by limiting the extent of the tanks to keep them centered) or performance (wing loading, t/w, etc.) that it wouldn't make sense?

 

[elmayerle]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

That would be worth seeing. The brochure, not the dumpster diving.

Talk to BIll Simone, he's the one who recovered it.

 

[riggerrob]

A question I've had regarding these types of modifications where fuselage engines are replaced with wing or pylon engines (especially when there are nose intakes). After the modification there is a huge remaining space where the engine and engine ducts were. Can those realistically be filled with fuel tanks? Or would that would doing so throw off weight balance (which can be handled by limiting the extent of the tanks to keep them centered) or performance (wing loading, t/w, etc.) that it wouldn't make sense?

Yes.
Old intake trunks near the center of gravity could be re-purposed as fuel tanks. You still need to install anti-slosh bulkheads and plumbing. OTOH intake trunks near the nose or tail are best left empty ... to reduce balance problems ... or filled with bolted-in avionics.

 

[Pioneer]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

I'm sorry elmayerle, but are you inferring that Rockwell actually through out North American Aviation archives??


Regards
Pioneer

 

[Orionblamblam]

I don't know about a twin-engined F-84F, but I have seen a brochure for a twin-engined F-86 with the engines on pylons from the aft fuselage. I won't say by who, but this was recovered by dumpster-diving when Rockwell binned all of North American's archives.

I'm sorry elmayerle, but are you inferring that Rockwell actually through out North American Aviation archives??


Regards
Pioneer

Ayup. And that was hardly the only archive to get tossed. Lockheed pitched the Bell archive, Northrop tossed the Grumman archive. Most companies barely kept archives at all and often ditched them as a cost savings measure. Boeing is about the only American aero company to make an effort to archive their history.

 

[aim9xray]

No, he's stating it. Although it wasn't necessarily Rockwell that did it. What I mean, is that it was most likely well below the "evil" corporate layer and many times the tossing happens for other over reasons, reutilization of space, the "minder" retires or is offsite, there is a RIF and the building is closed, no one freaking cares, it's easier to shred than declassify, etc. (Have seen all of these personally).

Fifty Ways to Lose Your History
Just shred the stack, Jack...
(you can make up the rest)