The Way for Sud Aviation Caravelle

[hesham]

Hi,


I use the sreach about half hour,but I can't find the topic about Sud Aviation
Caravelle,which had all those drawings,but I repeat posting the drawings until
we find this topic again.


From Le FANA 427

 

[toura]

Hi Hesham

The first one
Do you want more ?
From a very old "aviation magazine"

 

[Stargazer]

Meanwhile, five pictures taken from a Dec. 24, 1952 report on the X-210 proposal (Dossier X 210 02 34).

 

[Jemiba]

From John Wegg "Caravelle", the X 204 to X 206 proposals:

 

[hesham]

My dears,


there was a topic for this aircraft,but I can't get it by the search,it had many
drawings,can anybody help me to find it,and here is a two drawings from it.

 

[Jemiba]

Did a search, too, but it seems to be carefully hidden ! :-\
What I found is just this :
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3355.msg27053.html#msg27053
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1362.msg11284.html#msg11284
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9739.msg122353.html#msg122353

 

[richard]

From Aviation Magazine , the three engined X-210 :

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Richard,


and my dear Jemiba,I am sure there is anther old topic for Caravelle,and we
spoke about those aircraft in details;
SNCASE X-200,X-201,X-202,X-203,X-204,X-205,X-206 & X-210,Hurel-Dubois HD.40,HD.41 & HD.45,Dassault MD.900,SNCASO SO.60A,SO.60B & SO.60C,Breguet Br.978,Late-800,Gerin V.? and Nord N.3000.

How to find it,and here is some of its drawings.

 

[hesham]

And;

 

[hesham]

Hi,


wonderful,how we forget this old topic !.

 

[Stargazer]

wonderful,how we forget this old topic !.

I'm getting worried now. I hope it didn't get accidentally erased during some merging or splitting of old topics. This doesn't normally happen, and definitely shouldn't, but I'm at a loss to explain where this old thread on SNCASE X-... projects could have gone to. My own searching produced no results either... :-[

 

[Stargazer]

Was it this one?
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3178.0


There is a list here of all SNCASE (Sud-Est)-related topics here:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9739.msg154045.html#msg154045

 

[hesham]

Hi Stargazer,


I think it was this;


SNCASE (Sud-Est) SE. X.210 « Caravelle » projects http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4926.0


but it is not working,why ?.

 

[Stargazer]

but it is not working,why ?.

You usually get this message when a topic was merged into another one. Hope that's what happens and we're going to find it.

 

[hesham]

SNCASE (Sud-Est) SE. X.210 « Caravelle » projects http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4926.0

I hope we still have it.

 

[hesham]

SNCASE (Sud-Est) SE. X.210 « Caravelle » projects http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4926.0

We still didn't solve this problem,


I hope we didn't delete it.


Here is a mystery,in Le FANA drawings,they mention the SNCASE X.207 as projected
proposal led to X.210 Caravelle,but we know very will the X.207 was a supersonic
interceptor project,what is the right ?;


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3178.msg9956.html#msg9956

 

[Stargazer]

The Caravelle project from Aviation Week, July 1953:

 

[hesham]

Hi,

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19520512/20/2

 

[Richard N]

SNCASE SN-210 "CARAVELLE" GENERAL DESCRIPTION & PERFORMANCE Report

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[Richard N]

Re: SNCASE SN-210 "CARAVELLE" GENERAL DESCRIPTION & PERFORMANCE Report

More pictures.

 

[hesham]

From le Fana 329,

who can collect those two into one piece.

 

[JimK]

who can collect those two into one piece.

You mean like this?
Is it just me or does the bar seem to be a prominent feature in this design?

 

[taildragger]

I think that the SNCASE X.200/20 cutaway must just be a promotional doodle since the lower deck arrangement doesn't seem to make any allowance for wing carry through structure.

 

[hesham]

I think that the SNCASE X.200/20 cutaway must just be a promotional doodle since the lower deck arrangement doesn't seem to make any allowance for wing carry through structure.

That's right.

 

[hesham]

You mean like this?
Is it just me or does the bar seem to be a prominent feature in this design?

Thank you JimK,

I didn't see your respond,and here is a strange Info from le Fana 447,that Douglas
developed Caravelle to be advanced one.

 

[hesham]

From Aviation Magazine 1963.

 

[sgeorges4]

any concept of the prototype? why did they decided to go with a comet nose?

 

[sgeorges4]

drawing of the prototype with some difference to the real one (no antenna on the drawing) and models. Notice the difference between the interior of the drawing and model next to it

from: http://www.crash-aerien.news/forum/dessine-moi-un-avion-t10042-840.html

 

[sgeorges4]

information regarding this conversion?

also from http://www.crash-aerien.news/forum/dessine-moi-un-avion-t10042-840.html

 

[Archibald]

"Avion présidentiel" = "France Air Force One", if you prefer. An aircraft for the President.

Premier déplacement officiel d'une Caravelle.

Le prototype 02 F-BHHI fera le voyage à Alger pour la visite du général De Gaulle .

Must have been 1958.

F-BHHI was a standard Caravelle airliner that was used to ferry De Gaulle to Algiers.
The picture shown says "project to turn it into a full blown Presidential Aircraft".

 

[sgeorges4]

I know, I'm french, I want more information about the convertion itself

 

[Archibald]

D'oooh !

 

[hesham]

From Air Enthusiast 65,

a clearer view to SNCASE X-200.

 

[hesham]

From Pioniers 1984.