while risking banishment once again and certainly nobody would ever feel like needing it -let alone heeding the warning , let's say those who keep ignoring "history" are bound to end up worse than repeating mistakes . We have a decade of hearing how everybody that came before in Turkey was a coward and a traitor and miracles can be achieved by mere willpower . Nobody has willed against the miracles and where are they ? To explain what that means would take me a thousand posts over a year here and ı really don't think that would ever happen ; but ı know people by gossip and reputation . When ı posted almost a decade back that a tactical aviation trainwreck might happen in 2015 , Pentagon did not order the Lockmart troll brigade stop calling me an ignorant fool only because they had calculated it and leaked themselves anyhow . ı don't somehow think the rip-off to take place will now cease , because ı just have said something on the web . And surely the troll brigade will come back earnestly after the new Administration in Washington "fulfills" its election pledges about cost-cutting ; it even hurts eyes when searching for their wisdom on Key Forums lately . Amazing the silence is ; incredible is the lack of gloating by the F-35 haters , those idiots who would see their lies and fantasies crushed under a mountain of facts and still come for more on the morrow .
so , the well established UK Aviation scene wants Turkish money and will take it no matter what ... So , even English language articles now appear this is how an existential matter ... Maybe , a further annoying and pointless bit of history ? ı have bought a new external HD and was moving some old saved files after finishing the draft of the one above when ı noticed this .
first things first ... The thread starter , does not support what ı am about to rant about . He only stresses things which are interesting or -shall we say - unbelievable ... And am merely picking what suits me , we are not in collusion in anything about anything ... Nor it might be all true ; people are merely talking in some informal way , they don't have tons of technical papers and "minders" of engineers with them ; they could equally be discussing the latest football / soccer game .
"The small NATO fighter which has been proposed to me, the F–91, is just like the Australian boomerang. It is never out of sight. It won’t go far enough." is clear enough , let me spare you of how F-91 lost to be the MAP plane , without rockets and afterburners and fancy wing moving in view of the complexities of the F-100 . And the awesome "Of course, you run into the question, then, as to the control of the air. It would be useless in an area when you are facing a MIG–17 or MIG–19, although obviously you aren’t going to have a big MIG–17 or MIG–19 everywhere you are going to need another airplane." ı think ı have seen pdf files that showed guns were indeed optional in the early life of the Freedom Fighter and 1958 is just about the time Sidewinders proved themselves . Are the Australians really desiring a "fighter" plane that can not face a Fresco ? At least Farmer makes sense as a supersonic plane ? Are they counting on there will be not enough MiGs in the air , as factories in the USSR are churning out zillions of them ? Surely not a reference to full spec Russkies ? For the readers' information these are the bloated figures in estimations that apparently once claimed Foxbats could escort bombers to Iceland from Poland , apparently in formation at Mach 2.0 cruise in and out ... Or how tightly it could outturn the Phantom at all heights and speeds .
this is the type of the "fighter" the Turkish Air Force of yesterdays might well have been equipped , to put down a Kemalist uprising , say around 1965 . Which has been discussed in Washington as far as am assured by guys who have been called "Dogs" and worse behind their backs and always reminded to their faces of what might have happened if Vietnam had not happened . Not much relevance to an aviation forum , but revolves around political disagreements in Turkey , leading to the introduction of Sharia , as per the demands of Democracy and hence bloodshed . Where the pro-American so democratic elements might not secure all the airbases , or will merely need a "bomb-minivan" to terraform mountains to dust and gravel . Skoshi Tiger proved the F-5 was ideal for dodging machine gun fire from the ground , but a bombtruck it ain't . Averted by the lack of appreciation at the grandeur of the Saudis at the time combined with Hanoi's plans for economic development that "risked" South and thus replaced with issues in Cyprus , where EOKA were equally ready to kill Turks , local or deployed from the "mainland" .
so cutting it short , ı find it insulting when it's Brits who come up with the 250 number , promising to replace the golden calf , the matchless Footpad aka F-35 before it violates the sacred soil of my country and reverse immediately that it was invented from the backside of the Turks who think they will buy that many . And then the poor man's aspect ... If you believe anyone , this country will be conquering Andromeda , the galaxy , by 2030 , what good an IRST will do for our exportable "F-22" ? What's this humility , what happened to Turkey Stronk !! ı think ı saw like 90% of all episodes of Madmen and can somewhat guess who are the target audience . Do not come unless it has Klingon cloaking and goes faster than light , if your manliness makes you misunderstand cease and desist .
