Some Interesting DoD Films (that we will never see)

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SOME INTERESTING DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FILMS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST PART I - INTRODUCTION AND EXPLANATION by Michael Ravnitzky, mikerav@ix.netcom.com

Recently I received a large partial inventory list of thousands of Defense Department motion picture films and videotapes. I have selected a tiny sampling of these films that seem interesting for some reason or other, or have remained classified for years despite evidence of some public interest in their contents. This is just a personal selection; please keep that in mind. There are thousands and thousands other films out there waiting to be viewed.

The source of these film titles and catalogue numbers are the film transfer lists and proposed transfer inventories held by the National Archives and DVIC.

Forthcoming lists of films in various subject areas will contain the addresses at the bottom rather than at the top.

Most of these films are either restricted in distribution or are still marked as classified, either confidential or secret, as noted. However, most of these films have not been reviewed for declassification or public release in many years, or even decades. You can request a copy of any of these films by writing to the following two addresses and requesting a copy of the film under the Freedom of Information Act. All of these films will be available and under the authority of one or both of the following two addresses.

The first address is the Department of Defense [DoD] FOIA Office. Note: in your request letter to DoD, you may wish to mention that these films are or were under the responsibility of the Defense Visual Information Center, DVIC, but that FOIA requests to DVIC are processed by the DoD FOIA Office.

WARNING: The DoD FOIA Office does not like to process requests for audio-visual materials such as motion picture films, because they are much more troublesome than requests for paper records. Nor do they have a very good track record in regard to processing such requests. Just keep careful track of your requests, and send in an inquiry if an excessive amount of time has gone by. You may need to send an appeal letter if too much time goes by.

The second address is the National Archives office that has accessioned some of these films--it is not entirely clear which films were accessioned and which remain at DoD. One or both of these offices have all of these films.

Freedom of Information Act Director
telephone: (703) 697-1160
Directorate for Freedom of Information
1155 Defense Pentagon
Washington, D.C. 20301

William G. Lewis, Archivist
Motion Picture, Sound and Video Branch
National Archives at College Park
8601 Adelphi Road

SOME INTERESTING DOD FILMS
Part 4: Oddball or Unusual Aircraft
compiled by Michael Ravnitzky
mikerav@ix.netcom.com
[please note that most of these films have never been seen
outside of the DoD, and thus have never been used for any
television documentaries]
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Inflatoplane - Seaplane Version [1202-169]
Film Number 945-X - CONFIDENTIAL

*Microjet* - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 33303

Reconnaissance Parasite Aircraft
Film Number USAF 19661

XC-99 - Worlds Largest Land Plane
Film Number USAF 19738

Convertiplane Test at Wright Patterson AFB, Aug. 1952
Film Number USAF 20772

XV-1 Convertible Airplane, McDonnell Aircraft, Aug. 1955
Film Number USAF 24123

Transcendental??? Convertible Plane
Film Number USAF 24324

XFV-1 Progress Report
[weird Navy Plane]
Film Number USAF 21984

XV-3 Convertiplane
Film Number USAF 22691

Horton Wingless Aircraft
[WW2 era German Flying Wings]
Film Number USAF 22259

Northrop Research Flying Wing Aircraft and XP-56
Film Number USAF 24262

MB-1 High Card Ding Dong Documentary 1955-56
Film Number USAF 23268A

The MB-1 Air to Air Rocket - SECRET
Film Number PIN 1000425 DF, Film FR 27

MB-1 Documentary 1955-56 - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 29521

Big Buster, the F-89J, MB-1 Bomb System - SECRET
Film Number PIN 27458 DF, Film TF 1-5335

Ryan X-13 Vertijet
Film Number USAF 23711

X-13 Vertijet, Edwards AFB, CA, May 1956
Film Number USAF 25816

X-13 Transition Phase
Film Number USAF 25817

Second F-100D Piloted Zero Length Launch, 11 Apr. 1958
Edwards AFB, CA
Film Number USAF 25873

LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin, Friedrichshafen, Germany 1928
Film Number USAF 24056

Early Helicopter and Autogiro Tests
Film Number USAF 25516

First Helicopters for the Army
Film Number USAF 25516A

25th Anniversary of the USAF Helicopter
Film Number PS 104-9/50-1

The B-70 Weapon Introduction System - CLASSIFIED
Film Number USAF 26350

XB-70 Progress Report 1963
Film Number USAF 36374

The B-70 Weapon System - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 26997

B-70 Film Progress Report - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 28149

B-70 Joining Concept - SECRET
Film Number USAF 27514

SR-71, June 1966 - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 41332

SR-71 Project, Beale AFB, April 1966 - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 43370

RS-71 Air to Air Footage
Film Number USAF 38289

The Story of the 100th Strategic Reconnaissance Wing
[U-2 and later SR-71 aircraft]
Film Number SFP 2144, PIN 26750 DF - SECRET

100 Strategic Reconnaissance Wing - SECRET
Film Number USAF 47207

C-5 Galaxy Aircraft Model Ditching Investigation 1968
Film Number EC-13-68

Dyna-Soar Wind Tunnel Tests
[Dyna Soar was a 1960s Air Force space shuttle design]
Film Number USAF 27224

USAF Presents a Report on the Dyna-Soar Progress,
April 1960 - June 1961
Film Number USAF 29561

Dyna-Soar Mockup Inspection
Film Number USAF 29993

Dyna-Soar Program - CLASSIFIED
Film Number USAF 31246

X-20 Dyna-Soar - April 1962 - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number USAF 33060A

Human Downward Ejection Tests
Film Number EC-30

Space Ship Take Off; A Technical Fantasy
[A Seized German WW2 era Film???]
USAF 28533

MiG-25 Foxbat - SECRET
Film Number PIN 47236, FLV 13-0013, videotape

MiG-25 Foxbat - SECRET
Film Number VT-D0365/807CH

Operation of System 119-L - SECRET
[an intercontinental reconnaissance balloon
mid-air recovery program]
Air Force Film Number Illegible


INTERESTING DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FILMS
Part 5 - Flying Disk Aircraft
by Michael Ravnitzky
mikerav@ix.netcom.com
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Advanced Pyewacket Progress
Film Number USAF 28520


Part 9: Nuclear Powered Aircraft and Missiles
compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, mikerav@ix.netcom.com
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Project Orion - Film Report No. 1 - CLASSIFIED
Film Number USAF 27597

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Program: Manned Aircraft
Film Number PIN 20619 DF, Film FR-3A - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Program - manned Aircraft,
1956-1958 - SECRET
Film Number PIN 20619 DF, Film FR-3A

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Orientation
Film Number PIN 26172 DF, Film SFP-342A

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Status Report, 1955
Film Number PIN 26173 DF, Film SFP 3429

The Nuclear Ramjet Program - Pluto, 1963
Film Number FR-0258 - SECRET

Project Pluto - Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion,
Eighth Summary Film Report, July-December 1962
Film Number USAF 34537 - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems,
Fifth Summary Film Report, 1961
Film Number USAF 37438 - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems,
First Summary Film Report, 1959
Film Number USAF 37487 - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems,
Second Summary Film Report, 1960
Film Number USAF 37488 - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems,
Third Summary Film Report, 1960
Film Number USAF 37489 - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Systems,
Fourth Summary Film Report, 1960
Film Number USAF 37490 - SECRET

Project Pluto, Sixth Summary Film Report, 1962
Film Number USAF 37491 - SECRET

Project Pluto Seventh Summary Film Report, 1962
Film Number USAF 37492 - SECRET

LASVN2 1964 Annual Report,
Low Altitude Supersonic Vehicle Nuclear
Film Number USAF 38911 - SECRET

LASV-N1 1963 Progress Report,
Low Altitude Supersonic Nuclear Vehicle
Film Number USAF 38912 - SECRET

Pluto Ceramic Fule Elements Tory IIC - SECRET
Film Number USAF 38914

Nuclear Powered Missile Study
Film Number USAF 38918 - SECRET

Project Pluto Nuclear Reactor Fuel Fabrication
Film Number USAF 38921 - SECRET

Nuclear Powered Missile Study,
Supersonic Low Altitude Missile
Film Number USAF 38922 - SECRET

Low Altitude Supersonic Vehicle Nuclear Progress
Report Number 2, December 1963
Film Number USAF 38925 - SECRET

Aircraft Nuclear Propulsion Program:
ROVER, PLUTO, SNAP, Progress Report, 1956-68
Film Number FR-0003-B

Some Interesting DoD Films,
Part 13: Forecasts and Technology Predictions
compiled by Michael Ravnitzky, mikerav@ix.netcom.com
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New Horizons II, Parts One and Two - SECRET
Film Number USAF 49770

Beginning of a New Era - CLASSIFIED
Film Number ER 34

Culture Beat - 1975 A.D. - a 1960 film
Film Number USAF 28778

Eye in the Sky, Technology for Tomorrow
Film Number USAF 31309

Project Second Look - CONFIDENTIAL
Film Number FR 0367

Air Force Sword & Shield, 1961-1970 - a 1960 film
Film Number FR 0189 - CONFIDENTIAL

Technology Classification - Project Forecast
Film Number USAF 49633 - CONFIDENTIAL

Future Strategic Weapons of the Air Force,
a 1964 film
Film Number USAF 50818 - CONFIDENTIAL

Intelligence Briefing, Soviet Air/ICBM
Threat to the U.S., 1959-1963 - SECRET
Film Number FR 0059

Probable Soviet Space Development
USAF Film Report 61 - SECRET
Film Number FR-0200-A

The Difficult and the Impossible, The
Air Force Program and the Soviet Threat - SECRET
Film Number Illegible

Limited War and Consideration - SECRET
Film Number USAF 49629

Project Forecast - Short Version - SECRET
Film Number USAF 49634

Air Force 1980 - a 1970 film - SECRET
Film Number USAF 49635

General Schriver Forecast - SECRET
Film Number USAF 49639

Forecast Close Military Capabilities - SECRET
Film Number USAF 49641

New Weapons - SECRET
Film Number MN 09037

etc, etc...

 

[Orionblamblam]

It occurs to me that the NARA facility at College Park is closer to me than the National Air and Space Museum....

Self-Service Copying of Motion Picture Film

Copying motion picture film requires a Betacam or camcorder for shooting the image directly from the screen of the playback machine. A tripod may be used. The motion picture playback machines project an image of a relatively low light level and there will be a flicker movement in the duplicated copy.

Sound, if available, may be recorded from the speaker by your camera's built-in microphone or from an auxiliary microphone (not supplied by the Archives) placed in front of the speaker.

Hmm. Got me a camcorder. Filming the screen would be the ghetto approach, but might lead to servicable recordings.

 

[Orionblamblam]

Neat.








Color Prints of Selected Atomic Energy Commission Activities, compiled ca. 1960 - ca. 1963

ARC Identifier 558557 / Local Identifier 434-COP

Photographs and other Graphic Materials from the Department of Energy. Office of Public Affairs. (10/01/1977 - 1985?)

Still Picture Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Series from Record Group 434: General Records of the Department of Energy, 1915 - 2003

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"PROJECT PLUTO - 8TH SUMMARY FILM REPORT.", 07/1962 - 12/1962

ARC Identifier 68802 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-34537

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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PROJECT PLUTO -- SIXTH SUMMARY FILM REPORT, 07/01/1961 - 12/31/1961

ARC Identifier 69112 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-37491

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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PROJECT PLUTO -- SEVENTH SUMMARY FILM REPORT, 01/01/1962 - 06/30/1962

ARC Identifier 69113 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-37492

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000






PROJECT ORION, GENERAL ATOMICS DIVISION, 1958, 1958

ARC Identifier 67684 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-27597

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000





DYNA-SOAR PROGRESS, 10/1961 - 06/1962

ARC Identifier 68622 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-32909

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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THE DYNA-SOAR PROGRAM AND AN INTRODUCTION TO THE 1959 MOCKUP, 1959

ARC Identifier 68420 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-31246

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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MARTIN AND BOEING PROPOSED DYNA-SOAR CONFIGURATIONS, 1958

ARC Identifier 67342 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-26349

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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UNVEILING OF THE X-20 AT LAS VEGAS AFA CONVENTION, NEVADA, 09/20/1962 - 09/21/1962

ARC Identifier 68669 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-33452

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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ARNOLD ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENT CENTER FILM REPORT NO. 2 (JANUARY 1959), 01/1959

ARC Identifier 67384 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-26541

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION CONVENTION, 09/19/1960 - 09/22/1960

ARC Identifier 68139 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-29568

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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DYNA-SOAR X-20A COCKPIT REVIEW MOCKUP AND MAJOR VIRGIL I. GRISSOM'S COCKPIT MOCKUP FAMILIARIZATION, 12/06/1961 - 12/07/1961

ARC Identifier 68621 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-32908

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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AIR FORCE ASSOCIATION ANNUAL CONVENTION, 09/17/1962 - 09/23/1962

ARC Identifier 68658 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-33360

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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DYNA SOAR I, 03/1959

ARC Identifier 79652 / Local Identifier 428-NPC-13768

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Navy. Naval Photographic Center. (09/18/1947 - ?)

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 428: General Records of the Department of the Navy, 1941 - 2004

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A REPORT ON X-20 PROGRESS, 07/1962 - 06/1963

ARC Identifier 68884 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-35209

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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X-2OA DYNA-SOAR PROGRAM REP0RT, l JULY 1961-30 JUNE 1962, 07/01/1961 - 06/30/1962

ARC Identifier 68685 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-33569

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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THE STORY OF DYNA-SOAR

ARC Identifier 64020 / Local Identifier 342-SFP-1034

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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INFLATOPLANE, GA-447 FEATURES AND CHARACTERISTICS (1957), 1957

ARC Identifier 67125 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-25357

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

 

[Orionblamblam]

Ooooh. I think I may have figured out what I'm doing next Friday or Saturday....

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BOMI, STRATEGIC BOMBARDMENT AND RECONNAISSANCE WEAPON SYSTEM

ARC Identifier 68680 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-33525

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000


Joint Chiefs of Staff Comments on AMSA, Oct. 8, 1964

ARC Identifier 640487

Textual Records from McNamara, Robert S. (Robert Strange), 1916-

Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Collection MNR: Robert S. McNamara Papers, 1959 - 1968

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AMSA - Enthoven's Comments and AF Study, Oct. - Dec. 1966

ARC Identifier 640754

Textual Records from McNamara, Robert S. (Robert Strange), 1916-

Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Collection MNR: Robert S. McNamara Papers, 1959 - 1968

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AMSA (Advanced Manned Strategic Aircraft), Dec. 1964

ARC Identifier 640520

Textual Records from McNamara, Robert S. (Robert Strange), 1916-

Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Collection MNR: Robert S. McNamara Papers, 1959 - 1968

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Summary Report AMSA, Oct. 1966

ARC Identifier 640736

Textual Records from McNamara, Robert S. (Robert Strange), 1916-

Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Collection MNR: Robert S. McNamara Papers, 1959 - 1968

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AF Proposals re AMSA and Advanced ICM, Nov. 29, 1966

ARC Identifier 640755

Textual Records from McNamara, Robert S. (Robert Strange), 1916-

Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Collection MNR: Robert S. McNamara Papers, 1959 - 1968

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LASV-N1 PROGRESS REPORT (LOW ALTITUDE SUPERSONIC VEHICLE, NUCLEAR), 1963

ARC Identifier 69496 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-38912

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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LOW ALTITUDE SUPERSONIC VEHICLE-NUCLEAR, PROGRESS REPORT NO. 2

ARC Identifier 69499 / Local Identifier 342-USAF-38925

Moving Images from the Department of Defense. Department of the Air Force. (09/26/1947 - )

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Records Section, Special Media Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Item from Record Group 342: Records of U.S. Air Force Commands, Activities, and Organizations, 1900 - 2000

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Records Relating to Supersonic Transport (SST), compiled ca. 1964 - ca. 1965

ARC Identifier 666267

Textual Records from McNamara, Robert S. (Robert Strange), 1916-

Archives II Reference Section (Military), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

Series from Collection MNR: Robert S. McNamara Papers, 1959 - 1968






1965 - 9700-1 - Supersonic Transport

ARC Identifier 662152

Textual Records from the Department of Transportation. Federal Aviation Administration. Office of the Administrator. (1967 - )

Archives II Reference Section (Civilian), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Record Group 237: Records of the Federal Aviation Administration, 1922 - 1981

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1965 - 9700-1 - Supersonic Transport

ARC Identifier 662153

Textual Records from the Department of Transportation. Federal Aviation Administration. Office of the Administrator. (1967 - )

Archives II Reference Section (Civilian), Textual Archives Services Division, College Park, MD

File Unit from Record Group 237: Records of the Federal Aviation Administration, 1922 - 1981

 

[XP67_Moonbat]

I'm burning in anticipation.

Moonbat

 

[Orionblamblam]

Going to NASA HQ archives tomorrow (they allow scanners, huzzah). I had considered going to the College Park National Archives facility afterwards, or on Saturday, but then I saw this:

Pull Times for Files:
Pull times for records on Monday-Tuesday are: 10:00 a.m., 11:00 a.m., 1:30 p.m., and 2:30 p.m.

On Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday there is an additional pull at 3:30 p.m.

Note: No records are retrieved from the stacks on Saturday or in the evening.

BAH.

I'll probably still wander by, but likely just to do bibliographic research: dig up a whole mess of references to have pulled at some later date. Probably won't go back on Saturday, since I won't be able to actually get anything (so it appears); plus it looks like a huricane is due to hit the area Saturday afternoon.