SNCASE SE.200, Development, Variants & Projects

[Caravellarella]

Dear Flying-Finn, here is the SNCASE SE-200 for you, also known as the Aérosudest SE-200 and originally designed by Lioré & Olivier as the H-49 Amphitrite for the 1936 Transatlantic Flying Boat Competition.

Actually, it's not "Secret" and it's not a "Project", so I'm not even sure it should be posted here......

Here is some press from the 11th May 1946 issue of Les Ailes celebrating the first flight of the second SE-200 F-BAIY but oddly showing a picture of the first SE-200 F-BAHE.

Actually, F-BAIY was the third SE-200 airframe, but the second to be flown. The unregistered second aircraft was 80% complete when it was destroyed in its hangar during an Allied bombing raid at Marignane.

The first aircraft F-BAHE was confiscated by nazi germans after the occupation of Vichy France and taken away to Lake Constance where it was destroyed by RAF bombers.

The fourth aircraft was sold for scrap in 1950 when 70% complete......

Terry (Caravellarella)......

 

[Caravellarella]

and Flying-Finn, here are the requested drawings taken from the November 1998 issue of Le Fana de l'Aviation. The drawings are by Joël Mesnard and I have removed the various photogarphic images and captions to make the drawings clearer.

Of note; the very, very Lioré & Olivier style wing planform and tail-fin profiles. Note how the post-war completed aircraft had the "Groupe Standard" style Gnôme-Rhône GR14 26/27 engines in power-egg mountings on much longer nacelles.

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[flying-finn]

Ohh! I just found them here! Thank you again, dear Caravellarella!!
Amazing flying boat! Seems to be a very perfect among the other flying boats of that time!
Thank you again for explanation of some facts from the history of SE-200.
I'll look for my archives in order to add some photos here.
I've read about destroying of the second prototype and about trials of the French big flying boats at the Lake Constance.

 

[Skybolt]

Ok for posting, considered the importance of the airplane....

 

[Caravellarella]

Thank you Skybolt. Actually a relatively unimportant aircraft, and a massive waste of expenditure and effort. As designed, the SE-200 could only take 20 passengers on transatlantic routes, taking 20 hours to do so. The opulent ocean liner-style main deck arrangement must have weighed tons.

Judging by the number of aerodynamic tweaks used, the SE-200 must have had some drag and directional problems.

I recall reading that F-BAIY porpoised on landing, once, and actually dived into/below the lake's surface. It resurfaced, but the leading edges of the flying surfaces were done for......

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[flying-finn]

Some photos from me:

 

[Justo Miranda]

From Le Fanatique de l'Aviation Octobre/Novembre 1998
Post-1

 

[Justo Miranda]

From Le Fanatique de l'Aviation Octobre/Novembre 1998
Post-2

 

[Justo Miranda]

From Le Fanatique de l'Aviation Octobre/Novembre 1998
Post-3

 

[Caravellarella]

Here are some more shots of F-BAIY; in others' aerial views, you can see that the large panels on the upper surface of the wings behind each engine appear to be fabric-covered.

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[flying-finn]

From "L’hydravion le plus rapide du monde fut conçu à Argenteuil"

 

[Caravellarella]

L'Hydravion le plus inutile du monde?

Peut-être?

Terry (Caravellarella)

 

[Bailey]

See this link http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/se200.pdf

Regards Bailey.

 

[Arjen]

Much more about the SNCASE SE-200 can be found in "Les Paquebots Volants - Les hydravions transocéaniques français¨ by Gérard Bousquet, Éditions Larivière 2006, ISBN 2-914205-00-7, pages 112-141

Aircraft covered in this book:
CAMS 54 GR
Latécoère 521
Latécoère 522
Potez-CAMS 161
SNCASE SE-200
Latécoère 631
Latécoère 28.3
Latécoère 38
CAMS 58
Latécoère 300
Latécoère 500
Blériot B.5190
Lioré et Olivier H-27
Loire 102
Lioré et Olivier H-47

 

[airman]

See this link http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/se200.pdf

Regards Bailey.

Thanks Bailey !

 

[hesham]

By the way,

the SNCASE SE.200 flying boat was also developed into SE.201 and SE.202 Projects.

 

[toura]

Hi Hesham
From an old "le fana de l'aviation

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Toura,

I know those Projects,SE.203,SE,204 and the series raising up to SE.212,but began with SE.201
and SE.202.

 

[dan_inbox]

I know those Projects,SE.203,SE,204 and the series raising up to SE.212,but began with SE.201
and SE.202.

Those designations were re-used: The Sncase SE-202 Aquilon was a license version of the Sea Venom FAW 22.

Threat title modified, now more suitable for the "projects" section, I think.

 

[hesham]

That's better my dear Jemiba,

later I will explain what is the different between SNCASE SE series and SNACSE X series.

 

[hesham]

Hi,

when LeO began to design H-49 (later SE.200),a five different configurations were studied.

 

[Cy-27]

I recently came across these images of the SE200 model in a Gnome-Rhone magazine.

The wording is roughly translated as:

The S.E.200 Hexamoteur Gnome-Rhone L. 18

This seaplane follows the study of the seaplane Liore and Olivier type 49 and is intended for transport passengers and freight on the Europe-America routes.
With a total weight of 66 tons, this aircraft can carry 42 passengers. 8 crewmembers and 6.000 kg of load on the south Atlantic route.
Its commercial speed is 320 kmh. Its maximum speed is 390 km/h.
On the North Atlantic route, the number of passengers is 20 but can be increased to 40.
The SE.200 is equipped with six engines with a total power of 9,000 CV.
The quantity of transportable fuel allows it to cross a distance of 6,000 km in winds up to 60 km/h.
The very spacious hull made it possible to ensure very comfortable facilities on two floors. It had a bar, a smoking room, a shower, a cloakroom complete the installation of the deluxe luxury cabins.

Source:

Plein ciel (Gnome-Rhone Magazine) No.58 Jan/Feb 1938

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
S.N.C.A.S.E. SE 200, air liner (1) and (2)
You can read this French document any part you like using automatic traslater by copy and paste.
http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/bleneau/se200_1/se200_1.pdf
http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/bleneau/se200_2/se200_2.pdf

For example, explanation for PIC1 is....
"The SE 200 seen by the youth press in 1939. The famous illustrator Marcel Jeanjean was made this skinned from the layout model presented to the public at the Grand-Palais from 25 November to 11 December 1938 on the occasion of the 16th Paris Air Show."

 

[blackkite]

Hi!

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum-hannover.de/images/wehrmann/SNCASE%20SE%20200.pdf