Saturn V-4X(U) what was it for?

[Triton]

Does anyone know what they intended to use the Saturn V-4X(U) for? Was this intended for the lifting of modules for the space station?

http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/saturnv.htm

Boeing study, 1968. Four core vehicles from Saturn V-25(S) study lashed together to obtain million-pound payload using existing hardware. First stage consisted of 4 Saturn IC's stretched 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines; second stage 4 Saturn II standard length stages with 5 J-2 engines


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Specifications
LEO Payload: 527,600 kg. to: 486 km Orbit. at: 28.0 degrees. Liftoff Thrust: 16,329,230 kgf. Total Mass: 15,504,720 kg. Core Diameter: 10.1 m. Total Length: 95.0 m.

Stage Number: 1. 4 x Saturn MS-IC-25(S) Gross Mass: 3,223,800 kg. Empty Mass: 211,900 kg. Thrust (vac): 4,683,100 kgf. Isp: 304 sec. Burn time: 192 sec. Isp(sl): 265 sec. Diameter: 10.1 m. Span: 19.0 m. Length: 54.7 m. Propellants: Lox/Kerosene No Engines: 5. F-1A

Stage Number: 2. 4 x Saturn MS-II-4(S)B Gross Mass: 494,100 kg. Empty Mass: 42,300 kg. Thrust (vac): 527,100 kgf. Isp: 421 sec. Burn time: 355 sec. Isp(sl): 200 sec. Diameter: 10.1 m. Span: 10.1 m. Length: 24.8 m. Propellants: Lox/LH2 No Engines: 5. J-2


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Bibliography:

228 - Lowther, Scott, Saturn: Development, Details, Derivatives and Descendants, Work in progress. Availabe chapters may be ordered directly from Scott Lowther at web site indicated. HTML when accessed: http://www.webcreations.com/ptm

 

[Orionblamblam]

Does anyone know what they intended to use the Saturn V-4X(U) for?

Realtively vague concept for a heavy lifter, easier to field than an all-new booster of the "Post Saturn" variety. By the late '60's the whole idea was moot, as NASA was beginning to shut down and didn't see a need for anything much bigger than Titan III-capability.

 

[Triton]

Does anyone know what they intended to use the Saturn V-4X(U) for?

Realtively vague concept for a heavy lifter, easier to field than an all-new booster of the "Post Saturn" variety. By the late '60's the whole idea was moot, as NASA was beginning to shut down and didn't see a need for anything much bigger than Titan III-capability.

How did they intend to lift components for the 12-person space station, 50-person space base, and then the 400-person space hotel before they went the modular route with space shuttle-carried modules?

 

[Orionblamblam]

How did they intend to lift components for the 12-person space station, 50-person space base, and then the 400-person space hotel before they went the modular route with space shuttle-carried modules?

Saturn V. But those plans were dead by 1969. 7/31/68, in fact.

 

[Triton]

How did they intend to lift components for the 12-person space station, 50-person space base, and then the 400-person space hotel before they went the modular route with space shuttle-carried modules?

Saturn V. But those plans were dead by 1969. 7/31/68, in fact.

Do you know what configuration of Saturn V would have been used to launch the space station modules? July 31, 1968 was the date in which the decision was made by NASA to not build additional Saturn V rockets?

 

[Archibald]

The INT-21, the two stage basic variant. S-IC + S-II. This was the most straightforward Saturn V derivative they had on hand. Adding boosters or strechtching stages is nice... when your production line is open. After it closed the only way of grabbing some Saturn V for a space station is killing lunar missions.

Have a look at this, from NASA NTRS.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=333044&id=10&qs=Ntt%3D%2522space%252Bbase%2522%26Ntk%3Dall%26Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1

 

[Triton]

The INT-21, the two stage basic variant. S-IC + S-II. This was the most straightforward Saturn V derivative they had on hand. Adding boosters or strechtching stages is nice... when your production line is open. After it closed the only way of grabbing some Saturn V for a space station is killing lunar missions.

Have a look at this, from NASA NTRS.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=333044&id=10&qs=Ntt%3D%2522space%252Bbase%2522%26Ntk%3Dall%26Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1

Thanks Archibald. I have been looking for this artwork and I was confident that NASA had this art posted somewhere.

 

[Archibald]

Future Expansion - ProjectApollo

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[publiusr]

The closest this ever came to being revived was Griffin’s COMET HLLV which actually has a Wikipedia page now. I keep hearing rumors about the tooling being found. Any truth to that?

 

[fightingirish]

Saturn V-4X(U) 1 Million Pound Payload: The Beast
Boeing 1968 study, four improved Saturn S-IC first stage stretched TO 498 inches with 6.64 million pounds propellant and 5 F-1 engines each and 4 S-II second stage with 5 J-2 engines and a payload shroud of 86.5 feet in diameter and 240 feet long for a payload of over 1 million pounds.

Video:

View: https://youtu.be/y820utm9r4U

https://youtu.be/y820utm9r4U

 

[Archibald]

That guy Hazegrayart is of the hyperactive kind. I do hope someday I'll model HOTOL - it is one of the few major RLV presently missing in his CGI pornfest.

 

[NMaude]

This Saturn V proposal looks like the kind of thing Dr. Evil would've thought up.

 

[publiusr]

Nah…it’s just the LEO Mercury Redstone for these guys:

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