SAST proposal for Chinese Lunar rocket (Long March 10 that could have been)

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Thanks to TheRathalos post over on Twitter that I was able to learn of this rocket
This launcher is supposedly derived from SAST's work on the Lunar Launcher 921, now known as CZ-10, up until CALT's selection in 2020. SAST proposed a 3.8m common core modular launcher with up to 5 boosters. A prototype of the core's tank had been made in 2019.

This thread is about Shanghai Academy of Space Flight Technology proposal for Chinese Lunar rocket or the 921 Rocket. The winning proposal was the one from CALT, which is what become what we now know as Long March 10. A tricore configuration rocket compose of 2 5m diameter boosters and 1 5m diameter core in the first stage, each powered by 7 x YF-100K engines. YF-100K is a staged combustion kerolox engine capable of outputting 130 tons of thrust, an uprated version of existing YF-100 engine.

What SAST propose is somewhat different. Instead of the first stage core and it booster being 5m in diameters, the booster and the core is only 3.8m in diameter. Each of the booster is thus each powered by 4 x YF-100K engine. Instead of Tricore arrangement of CALT proposal, SAST proposal goes with Pentacore (1 central core surrounded by 4 boosters) arrangement. However, Tricore and single stick is also proposed for mission that require less payload.

The payload capacity in Lunar variant seems to be the same as CALT winning proposal which is 70 tons to Low Earth Orbit. Tricore arrangement can do 28 tons to LEO, and single stick variant can do 10 tons to LEO.

While SAST Lunar rocket proposal did not win, it seems something might still have come out of that program. SAST’s Long March 12 rocket (at least the initial expendable version) which will have it maiden launch on November 30 2024, is likely to be derived from their work on 921 rocket. Since it is essentially single stick variant of SAST’s Lunar Rocket, albeit with payload seemingly boosted to 12.5 tons to LEO.

Tricore variant might still be in the work, but lunar pentacore variant is unlikely to be built.

Edit:Apology if I use any term wrong, I have no background in engineering. So if I made any glaring mistake feel free to correct me.
 
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Yes, there also was the third proposal for lunar achitecture/Project 921 by CASIC.

Of course if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, and CASIC being China's main missile manufacturer (including solid-fuelled ICBMs and their launcher derivative Kuaizhou 1/1A/11) , they didn't shy away from proposing an all-solid lunar and crew launcher, which they named the Kuaizhou 21 and 31.

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It was going to use 4m composite casing SRBs... KZ-21 would have been ~20t to LEO and KZ-31 70t; they started building some composite structures for these casings.
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It doesn't seem that CASIC continued the development of such large SRBs, but CASC (through subsidiary AASPT) did and is currently developping 3.5m diameter SRBs, which they did propose for CZ9, to no avail. It's not sure which launcher will use these.

Also - maybe this thread and the chinese launcher project thread could be merged? I'm not sure there will be a lot of activity.
 
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Yes, there also was the third proposal for lunar achitecture/Project 921 by CASIC.

Of course if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, and CASIC being China's main missile manufacturer (including solid-fuelled ICBMs and their launcher derivative Kuaizhou 1/1A/11) , they didn't shy away from proposing an all-solid lunar and crew launcher, which they named the Kuaizhou 21 and 31.

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It was going to use 4m composite casing SRBs... KZ-21 would have been ~20t to LEO and KZ-31 70t; they started building some composite structures for these casings.
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It doesn't seem that CASIC continued the development of such large SRBs, but CASC (through subsidiary AASPT) did and is currently developping 3.5m diameter SRBs, which they did propose for CZ9, to no avail. It's not sure which launcher will use these.

Also - maybe this thread and the chinese launcher project thread could be merged? I'm not sure there will be a lot of activity.
I guess we can repost it over in that thread? I only post it here as to archive it as it is one of the rocket that will sadly never see the light of days and thought it to fit more with this subforum.

Also is KZ-31 penta core or is it tri core that merge into one core upperstage?
 
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Only one or two smiling---the rest with a look of grim determination.

This photo before cancellation?
 
They were not afraid of hypergolics early on. Nine RD-270s could have given them quite a Moon rocket. The 921 concept above needed kerolox rockets they only fielded just now.
 

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