Royal Navy Type 45 ("D" Class) Destroyer Daring Class concepts

[Triton]

Possible future variants of the Royal Navy Type 45 ("D" or Daring Class) Destroyer include Type 45 Land Attack variant and Type 45 General Purpose variant.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Via the Foreign Policy blog:

http://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/8c48e9ba-b7ca-42f1-868b-451f9ac72cd0/The-Type-45-Daring-Class-Destroyer--How-Project-Ma.aspx

 

[Grey Havoc]

Via Navy Matters, an early (late 1999) design concept:

Three pictures from November 1999 showing the early design concepts for the Type 45. Particularly note:
1) The flush-deck VLS Sylver missile silo
2) The original Sampson radar design.
3) Harpoon SSM launcher tubes in a superstructure break amidships
4) Phalanx CIWS mount on the hanger roof
(Source: BAE Systems)

 

[bobbymike]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/britain-warships-type-45-destroyer-drones-defence-spending-a7563471.html

Britain’s Type 45 destroyers – which have been plagued by engine problems – are “as noisy as hell”, a former director of operational capability for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) Rear Admiral Chris Parry told The Sunday Times

 

[fredymac]

Extended TV series featuring HMS Duncan. Likely to be removed due to copyright.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sepj1wpfrfs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5zoS5D5Ryk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVa4LcaGlzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uq3y8gnR7w

 

[Tzoli]

Royal Navy still using the Phalanx system for new ships?
Well I guess it is cheaper then the Goalkeeper or Bushmaster.

 

[TomS]

Frankly, current Phalanx 1B with optimized barrel group is probably better than Goalkeeper (and definitely easier to fit).

Bushmaster isn't even in the same class -- it's akin to the DS30 mounts, which I believe are on the Type 45.

 

[Grey Havoc]

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Britain 4.5"/55 (11.4 cm) QF Mark 8 Mod 0 and Mod 1 - NavWeaps

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[Grey Havoc]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1184057560732753920

 

[AN/AWW-14(V)]

Babcock International, the Aerospace and Defence Company, is pleased to announce a further year contract extension has been agreed to continue in-service support to the Harpoon Missile System for the Royal Navy.

Babcock provides specialist air, defence and missiles engineering expertise supporting the availability of the Harpoon Missile System fitted to Type 23 Frigates and Type 45 Destroyers. Its role in the programme covers operational defect support, post design services and the procurement of spares, enabling maintenance of the system and its operational availability to the fleet.

Martin Laity, Director Mission Systems, Babcock said: “We are pleased to continue supporting the Harpoon programme, ensuring asset availability for our customer. This is a vital piece of anti-ship equipment on board both the Type 23 and Type 45 that enables them to operate safely wherever they are deployed.”

Harpoon Missile System – In-service support extension agreed

Babcock International, the Aerospace and Defence Company, is pleased to announce a further year contract extension has been agreed to continue in-service support to the Harpoon Missile System for the Royal Navy. Babcock provides specialist air, defence and missiles engineering expertise...

www.babcockinternational.com

Babcock International announced on 7 January that has received a 12-month contract extension from the UK MoD to continue in-service support for the Harpoon missile system operated by the RN.

Babcock continues Harpoon asset availability support for RN | Shephard

Babcock provides specialist engineering expertise supporting Harpoon availability for Type 23 and Type 45 vessels.

www.shephardmedia.com

 

[JohnR]

Possible future variants of the Royal Navy Type 45 ("D" or Daring Class) Destroyer include Type 45 Land Attack variant and Type 45 General Purpose variant.

What was the intended armament of the Land Attack variant, and given its increased length was there an increase in beam and was an alteration to the engines needed?

 

[Grey Havoc]

What was the intended armament of the Land Attack variant

I believe that Tomahawk and the Naval version of the Storm Shadow (the MdCN) were both studied as part of the planned loadout.

 

[Tzoli]

Possible future variants of the Royal Navy Type 45 ("D" or Daring Class) Destroyer include Type 45 Land Attack variant and Type 45 General Purpose variant.

Does anybody know where are these drawings from? From the opening post of this thread? Which shows 3 proposed variants of the Daring Class / Type 45 Destroyers?

 

[Hood]

Off topic discussion on warship classifications has been moved to here: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/warship-classification-designation-discussion.41950/

 

[Antonio]

From post#14 we're off topic. Please try to focus on

"Royal Navy Type 45 ("D" Class) Destroyer Daring Class concepts"​

Otherwise I'm going to start cleaning it up because the discussion about what's the definition of cruiser/frigate/destroyer isn't new in the forum

 

[that_person]

Is the Land Attack T45 just another name for the Global Cruiser? Also interesting to note that other, non-USN navies, where looking at ships orientated for land attack.

 

[CommanderRenHoek]

Land attack was all the rage in US and Western European navies back in the late 1990s-2000s. The "end of history" and the Global War on Terror made them think bombing low-rent dictator states and non-state actors with relative impunity would be their main job moving forward. Even Germany got in on the act with the F125.

In hindsight, that focus was a mistake and caused tremendous damage in terms of wasted industrial and design effort (e.g. see Zumwalt) that some aren't sure the US and Western Europe can really recover from.

 

[that_person]

Eh, I wouldn’t call the Zumwalt a waste. The design is sound and the tech all works. Had we not seen a giant shift in geopolitics, and thus defense strategy and fleet architecture, we probably would’ve seen a dozen or so built. And all of that tech is being reused in DDG(X).

 

[Ron5]

Does anybody know where are these drawings from? From the opening post of this thread? Which shows 3 proposed variants of the Daring Class / Type 45 Destroyers?

They're from Jane's Navy International 107-9 :

 

[Antonio]

Early concepts

 

[JFC Fuller]

Courtesy of the Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology, from a a 2002 article by the BAE Type 45 programme director. This is the most detail I have seen on the land attack and ASW frigate concepts. In particular I note that the S1850M (LRR) could be fitted to the Land Attack version. Presumably, if that design had used the 4.5" Mk.8 it could have also had the space for 16 additional Mk.41 cells ahead of the Sylver silos for a total VLS outfit of 96.