Pre WW1 Royal Navy Diesel Engines for Surface Ships

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Reading through threads on the All the Worlds' Battlecruisers forum I was struck by two covering Fisher/Vickers proposals for diesel powered capital ships, they ignited a memory I had of reading about a single cylinder diesel test unit Vickers had produced prior to the War that seemed relevant.

It was, at least in part, sponsored by the Admiralty. Work on the unit began in 1911, it was described as being 1,000hp, was in construction in 1912 and 1914, according to an article in a 1914 edition of The Steamship journal, it ran continuously for 9 days as part of an Admiralty inspection. The specific details of this cylinder can be found in this PDF document at Chapter 4a, pg.58, and I have reproduced them below for ease:

The Admiralty became interested in the possibilities of large marine crosshead engines for propulsion of surface ships and was instrumental in the erection of an experimental single-cylinder two-stroke engine which ran trials at Barrow during 1913.1 Vickers subsequently intended that single-cylinder would form the basis of a future six-cylinder engine capable of developing 4,476 kW.l Authorization for construction of this engine. designated No 428, was granted by the Admiralty in 1911 but because of the experimental and secretive nature of the project no information was available at the time and details of the trials were not published until 1921. When running at 140rpm the engine was designed to develop 746kW from its 762mm bore by 914mm cylinder but in full load tests achieved greater output. Details of the 72 hour full load trial were as follows;'

Injection Air Pressure Bar: 74.5
Fuel Consumption kg/kw.hr: 0.25
Cylinder Lubrication Consumption litres/hr: 5.9
RPM: 141
Brake Power Kw: 777.2
Indicated Power Kw: 840
MEP Bar: 8.56
Mechanical Efficiency %: 92.53

Considerable thought went into the design of the engine, particularly with respect to materials, as at that time little was known about the thermal problems of large two- stroke cycle engine cylinders. The cylinder cover was considered to be a critical component in this respect and the original design employed a cast steel cover but this cracked after a period of running. A cure for this trouble was the fitting of a 51mm thick forged steel plate on the lower face of the cover, this being bossed up to 76mm thickness in way of the air inlet valves. This form of cylinder cover construction was patented by Vickers and developed as the standard for subsequent large mercantile engines.

The water-cooled cylinder was supported by two columns which also located the crosshead guides. Scavenging of the cylinder was via four water-cooled valves in the cover, air being supplied by an electrically driven rotary blower. This arrangement of scavenging would have assisted in keeping the cover cool but it meant that exhaust gas had to pass out of the cylinder through ports in the lower part of the liner. The piston was of composite construction, the upper portion being of cast steel and water-cooled, water being supplied and removed by means of the hollow piston rod and telescopic pipes attached to the crosshead. The engine was designed for blast injection of fuel and the main series of trials ran with this arrangement although trouble was experienced with the blast air compressors. In the meantime Vickers had developed a system for solid injection of fuel and the experimental engine was modified to operate with this, air injection fittings being used as far as possible. Results were encouraging with mean cylinder pressures up to 8.625 bar being achieved."

Although the Admiralty had sponsored the experimental engine with a view to diesel propulsion of warships and fleet replenishment tankers, Vickers were optimistic that, on a slightly reduced rating, it would form the basis of a high powered engine for mercantile purposes. The war, however, intervened and mercantile engine development had to wait.

This test cylinder is obviously not a perfect match for that proposed for Incomparable, that would have required 1,250-1,500hp cylinders, but it does show the Admiralty at least looked at large diesel engines for surface warships and hardware was produced. Diesels were also considered for destroyers pre WW1, a 1,000hp unit built by Thornycroft (licensed from the Diesel Engine Co., who were associated with Carels, of Ghent) was proposed as a cruise engine to provide upto 12 knots in HMS Hardy. Steam turbines would be used for higher speeds, this installation was never undertaken.

All the Worlds' Battlecruisers Diesel Incomparable thread
All the Worlds' Battlecruisers Diesel G3 thread

In Germany, Tirpitz was interested in diesel engines for battleships at abut the same time, this old link has some interesting details.
 
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Having dug around more on this, using the limited digital resources available at the moment, a few other bits and pieces can be added. Firstly, the 1,000hp test cylinder described above that was intended for a six cylinder engine is almost certainly the test article intended for the 1911 programme scout cruiser Amphion described here. I have reproduced the relevant section, from Smurf, below:

I agree about using diesels generally. In this particular case there were design problems over structural strength and protection. The 6000 hp Vickers diesel was located in the aft engine room, with 12,000shp turbines remaining forward. However, the diesel was taller than the turbines, so the cylinder heads were above the armour and needed large access panels in the deck for maintenance. But Admiral Fisher (who was also keen to see battleships with diesels - he thought funnels might be dispensed with) retired as First Sea Lord in 1910, and his successor was not so keen on more innovations, and wanted the bigger Towns. My thanks to Garlicdesign for a splendid rendering of this little-known design. Note the big central prop for the slow-running diesel.

Unfortunately, Smurf is no longer online, which is a great shame as he was responsible for some fantastic archive research and great writing. The application of diesel engines to cruisers is a particularly interesting concept, it may have enabled the earlier merging of the Scout and Trade Protection types due to the lower fuel consumption and reduced crew requirements allowing for smaller ships with greater endurance.

With regard to the battleship engines quoted at 1,500hp a cylinder, it appears that the cylinder was actually designed and built by the Carel Frères company of Ghent, Belgium and that Vickers merely bought the license and had a test cylinder shipped to Barrow for demonstration. It was described as having a 40" bore, being 17ft high and of four cycle type with overhead valves. This was reported in at least a pair of publications in 1911/12, the Motor Boat and Marine Engineering. The intention being to build this up into eight cylinder units with a total output of 12,000hp

In short, in 1911 the Royal Navy, driven by Fisher, was examining diesel engines for all three major types of surface warship of the time, destroyers, cruisers and capital ships. It all slowed down and then ended when fisher left the Admiralty. By contrast the Germans pressed ahead and ended up with the battleship Prinzregent Luitpold sailing round with an empty machinery space where a big diesel engine should have been and the Sachsen was waiting for one for her middle shaft at the time of the Armistice.
 
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There are some snippets from Friedman's British Submarines in Two World Wars.

As you noted in your quote in the first post above. Vickers had difficulty with engine-driven air compressors for fuel injection so used solid injection instead. The main side effect of this was very smoky exhaust products which led to Vickers abandoning solid injection until the late 1930s, yet other nations had returned to solid injection as the RN abandoned it. Vickers claimed a more compact engine as a result.
Most British diesels tended to be four-stroke, although by the 1920s it was recognised that a two-stroke engine was more suited to obtaining high surface speeds. And running diesels at high speed resulted in torsional vibrations as they reached the critical speed limit of the engine which resulted in damage - this problem blighting the X1 submarine. The USN would overcome this by moving to diesel-electric drives.

HMS A13 was the first submarine to receive a diesel in 1906. The engine was a Hornsby-Ackroyd design (not a diesel but a heavy-oil engine with hot bulb rather than injection), the company having produced a 125bhp single-cylinder which was scaled up into a 4-cyl 600bhp engine and they offered Vickers production rights. In the event the engine needed to be rebuilt following its first running, rpm was reduced in June 1905 but it never produced more than 400bhp and ended up being used in a power station in Simonstown. Vickers guaranteed 500bhp from its engine designed at Barrow in October 1905, but that guarantee proved impossible and even after rebuilding it only managed 450bhp. Serious defects in March 1907 delayed the trials in A13 for trials until August, it was generally successful apart from the compressor injection. [rated at 500bhp at 380rpm, 13 x 14in cylinders, 81lb/bhp]

HMS D1 was to use two 600bhp engines but Vickers designed a new engine, design approved in June 1907 but not ready until early 1909. Vickers could not guarantee 1,200bhp but hoped for 900bhp. Following the problems with the air compressor Vickers began experimenting with solid injection in 1910, patented in November 1911 and fitted to D2 but failing. One engine for D5 was tested for 6 hours in a shop test and one engine of both compressor and solid injection were fitted to D6 for comparative trials. The solid engine was 2 tons lighter, more reliable but did produce more smoke. But the success achieved by early 1913 saw it used on the E-class.

The desire to solve the problem saw Engineer Lieutenant Floyd Rabbidge being ordered by the EinC to join Vickers, becoming in time their head of diesel development in May 1913. Rabbidge began to redesign the fuel injector nozzle (Vickers had previously focused on the injection pressure) which solved the tendancy for the injectors to deliver different qautities of fuel into different cylinders so improving the efficiency (200nm more radius achieved on E9) and reducing vibration. The exhaust was still smoky though. Thereafter the war stopped further work on nozzles for larger engines so Vickers resorted to adding cylinders rather than enlarging them when more power was required - resulting in a 12-cyl 1,200bhp engine (used on the F and L-classes) and a smaller 8-cyl 450bhp engine (H and R-classes). D'Enycourt at one point proposed a modified 12-cyl engine with lightweight cylinders for 1,600bhp for the L-class but this went no further. But smoky exhausts proved a problem throughout the war and enabled submarines to be easily spotted.

These early problems saw the two-cycle MAN and Sulzer engines as well as the Carels being considered for the E-class, four did receive the Carels but it was unsuccessful and replaced by Vickers engines. The F2 had MAN diesels built by Whites. Denny had offered the Sulzer which was 4 tons lighter than the Vickers engine and was using Burmeister & Wain engines for submarines it was building in the Netherlands. The G-class would also have used Sulzer and MAN engines had the war not intervened, G14 received FIAT engines and the cancelled G16 would also have had White-built MANs. The Fiat diesels were a failure. To some extent all these problems with diesels (smoke, vibration and supply) influenced the decision for steam submarines. After 1918 the comparisons with the more reliable and smooth-running German diesels and their superior engine mountings to the hull showed even more starkly how far the 1914 Vickers design had falled.

In response to these shortcomings the Admiralty in 1917 formed the Admiralty Engineering Laboratory (AEL) with the aim of developing lighter and more powerful engines. It soon experimented with double-acting and two-stroke engines but without immediate success and it fell back to the four-cycle engine with an air compressor. In September 1917 a Vickers cylinder was set up by Ruston & Hornsby and AEL began increasing the pressure and engine speed - fitting aluminium pistons. AEL also seems to have published Vickers work much to the firm's chargrin. AEL's aim was to match the latest 10-cyl 3,000bhp engine.
A single test cylinder, the 100bhp 'Digit' running at 300rpm with a 20in bore and stroke ran in November 1919. The resulting 10-cyl 21.5in bore & stroke 3,000bhp was selected for X1 over propsals from other British firms as well as MAN and Sulzer, the EinC declaring it the best for size and weight. Bench tests were completed in May 1923.
In the meantime the EinC had ordered a two-stroke test cylinder of 1,000bhp. There was some arguement that the 6,000bhp Sulzer was superior but it was pointed that if it powered its own auxiliaries the power dropped to 4,800bhp.

In the end the engine as fitted to X1 was a failure due to vibration. The four-stroke 6-cyl 1,350bhp at 400rpm with 18.5in bore & stroke engine fitted to the Oberon-class were not much better, being de-rated in 1936 to 1,160bhp due to piston seizures. The Australian Ottway-class had a 1,500hp development with 19.25in bore and stroke but after severe problems they were removed.
Further developments were better; a 2,200bhp with 20in bore & stroke for later O's, an enlarged 10-cyl 4,000bhp at 350 rpm with 21in bore & stroke for the River-class (later supercharged to 5,000bhp), 6-cyl 1,650bhp at 400rpm with 20in bore & stroke for the minelayer submarines.

A closed-cycle diesel had been proposed in 1924 but rejected, resurrected in 1926 due to rumours of such engines in Germany (for Japan) and America, again dying until rumours of the German Erren engine emerged in 1936 - taking the Admiralty 2 years to realise that the Erren engine was useless. But in 1939 a closed-cycle engine using bottled oxygen and carbon dioxide or an oxygen, carbon dioxide, argon mixture with a research contract awarded to Ricardo. The outbreak of war stopped further work.

A lengthy history but it shows that development was tricky even post-war and that Vickers had problems with injection methods and injector valves right up to mid-1914 so it seems that larger engines would have been affected too, the emphasis going to the submarine engine and the results being less than stellar.
 
Interesting. I gather that diesel engines were used for lower-power requiring commercial vessels sometime earlier? But clearly, it was hard to adapt them to military performance levels!
 
I haven't loooked closely at the thesis you linked to but judging from the title I assume there is not much if anything about the 'skeletal' diesel that John (Irishopinion) talks about in his posts?
 
I haven't loooked closely at the thesis you linked to but judging from the title I assume there is not much if anything about the 'skeletal' diesel that John (Irishopinion) talks about in his posts?

I am afraid it does not but I think the reason is that the engine John refers to was very short lived. The test cylinder was probably built by Carel Frères of Belgium before being shipped to Barrow and whilst Vickers held a license they may never have done much work on it beyond running that test cylinder. When the Admiralty chose steam for the Queen Elizabeth design, not long after Vickers got the cylinder and Fisher left the Admiralty, all impetus for the project would have vanished before much paperwork for it could have been generated. By contrast, the 1,000hp cylinder for the Amphion engine continued to be developed right through to 1914.
 
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I remember there was an effort to build diesel-engined oil tankers for the Royal Fleet Auxiliary in 1912 but this fell through for reasons I don't thing I ever discovered. I remember photographing the relevant Ship Cover but I don't remember which one it was. I have those photos somewhere though.
 

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