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The first commercial nuclear reactor in the United States, Shippingport, was derived from a reactor originally designed for a cancelled nuclear powered aircraft carrier. I haven't been able to find any information on this aircraft carrier, and I don't think the Shippingport reactor is related to the A1W/A2W series reactors that went on to power Enterprise. Does anyone have any information on the cancelled aircraft carrier and its power plants, as well as their relationship with Shippingport, the A1W/A2W series reactors, and the Enterprise? Were there any other plans for nuclear powered warships prior to Enterprise?
 
Technically Long Beach beat the Big E by a hair, and if we're talking "warships" the submarine force had a healthy head start.

The original nuke Carrier program was in 1952-53. I don't know how much documentation is out there but the intention seems to have been to use the then in-development Forrestal class as a base, and work from that ultimately contributed to the Kitty Hawk subclass. Rickover was championing it but when Ike killed the flattop in 1953, Rickover put his energy behind what became the Shippingport reactor. It was important to Rickover that as there be high-profile and well-performing nuclear programs, and he apparently hoped that work on the large mobile reactor would be useful for developing large reactors for warships down the road. But in 1954 Korea resulted in what became the Enterprise being greenlit so the warship reactor program could kick right back into gear. "Related" can have a lot of meanings, they don't share hardware but the Shippingport reactor certainly shares an ancestry with the Navy programs.
 
Thanks for the reply. I thought Long Beach was after Enterprise, and I didn't know submarines were technically considered warships too.

It sounds like the original nuclear powered aircraft carrier program would have been similar to the later nuclear powered cruiser programs, which were essentially nuclear powered variants of a conventional base design. Was that the case?
 
The Navypedia site mentions that the later units of the United States class carriers would be Nuclear powered:
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/usa/us_cv_united_states.htm

It appears that four ships in all were contemplated, and that later units might have had nuclear power. Certainly smoke disposal from a large flush deck carrier was considered a major and intractable issue.

I do not know exactly from where he got that info but I could try to ask.
Maybe this corresponds to your reply of a Nuclear powered Forrestal sublcass as the early Forrestal designs were very similar flush deck carriers similar to the United States class.
 
JFK (CV-67) was laid down as a CVN with four A3W reactors. Which is why she has the unique angled stack. Also she was the fastest conventional carrier despite being shorter. But Big John is mos def post Enterprise.
 
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JFK (CV-67) was laid down as a CVN with four A3W reactors. Which is why she has the unique angled stack. Also she was the fastest conventional carrier despite being shorter. But Big John is mos def post Enterprise.

Interesting. I did not know that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A3W_reactor
 
The idea that the plans were changed early enough to fundamentally redesign the engine rooms (and in fact most of the ship) as would be required to accommodate a change from nuclear to conventional power, but so late as to make adding a conventional stack, strains credulity somewhat. For one thing, the uptakes run most of the height of the island - they'd have had to have done all the difficult work and decided not to bother with the last part!

CV-67 was programmed for a CVAN to SCB-212, with the four A3W reactors, but reordered as an improved KITTY HAWK design to SCB-127C. The angled stack was intended to direct exhaust gases away from the flight deck.
 
Quite the blow-by-blow account of CVA-67's propulsion debate here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/cv-67-nuke.htm

Excerpted from Rickover and the Nuclear Navy (Page 129 ff), here:

http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2013/08/f2/DuncanRickoverandtheNuclearNavyComplete.pdf

Rickover's plan was to replace the oil-fired Forrestal-based design for CVA-67 (which became Kennedy) with a nuclear design based on Enterprise but with the 4-reactor A3W plant instead of Enterprise's 8 reactor A2W plant. That's not the same as swapping in nuke reactors for the conventional oil-fired plant in a ship already under construction.
 
Thanks TomS, I would also add the following:

'Deciding to Buy: Civil-military Relations and Major Weapons Programs' by Quentin E. Hodgson

None of the sources suggest that CV-67's design as built was in anyway affected by the deliberations over nuclear power; she was authorised as a conventionally powered ship then designed and built as one. The slanted stack only actually seems to slant above the flight deck; there is no reason I can see why this would be driven by a shift in propulsion type. Additionally, a number of books state that the reason for Kennedy's angled stack was an attempt to keep exhaust gases away from the flight deck (as RLBH said)

The four reactor Enterprise concept is interesting, essentially the missing link between Enterprise herself and the two reactor Nimitz class.
 
The above are right. Friedmann makes quite clear that CV-67 was ordered as a conventional ship by McNamara instead of the Navy's preferred second CVN. I was mislead by Wikipeadia. Ohh the embarrassment.
 
I've recently found this document:
https://lynceans.org/wp-content/upl...Power-1939-2018_Part-2B_USA_surface-ships.pdf
Marine Nuclear Power: 1939-2018 - Part 2B United States - Surface Ships by Peter Lobner

It is basically a data sheet and some extra info on the USN's Surface ships both Nuclear and-Non nuclear despite what the title implies though it mostly revolves around nuclear power, in the first part it mentions a Nucelar Reactor design not yet heard of and which predates both the C1W used on Long Beach and the D1G on Bainbridge and A2W on Enterprise:
The LSR/CVR (Large Ship Reactor/Carrier Vessel Reactor)
The document has some info about it: (Compare it C1W,A1W and A2W)
Reactor
Estimated Reactor Power (MWt)
Estimated Propulsion Power per Reactor (shp)
Initial opsApplication
CVR​
390​
75,000​
Not builtProposed land-based prototype PWR for a single propulsion train rated at about 75,000 shp.
Authorized in 1952 & cancelled in 1953.
Became the basis for the design of the 1st full-scale US commercial nuclear power plant at Shippingport, PA.
C1W​
200​
40,000​
1961​
2 x C1W used only on USS Long Beach (CGN-9), yielding 80,000 shp total propulsion power.
Reportedly derived from A1W.
A1W, A2W​
165​
35,000​
1958​
2 x A1W at the prototype at NRF Idaho (A1W-A & A1W-B)
8 x A2W on USS Enterprise (CVN-65), yielding a total reactor power output
of about 1,320 MWt and propulsion power of 280,000 shp

Westinghouse CVR
Large ship reactor (LSR) / carrier vessel reactor (CVR)
- “This project, known as the CVR, was instituted on the basis of a military requirement set up by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That requirement stated that the CVR was to be a shore-based prototype of a single shaft for a large naval vessel such as an aircraft carrier, and to be used after completion to produce power and plutonium.” *
- CVR was a light-water cooled and moderated pressurized water reactor (PWR) design with an expected propulsion output of 75,000 shp (56 MW). Reactor power would have been about 390 MWt.
- CVR was authorized in 1952.
- April 1953: The CVR was eliminated from the FY 1954 defense budget.
- “Cancellation of the aircraft carrier reactor resulted in a letter appeal from the (Atomic Energy) Commission to the President (Eisenhower) and a special appearance before the Joint Committee (of Congress). As a result, a completely civilian version of the aircraft carrier reactor was put back in the fiscal 1954 budget…..” *
- The AEC transferred the entire development team to the new civilian project, while maintaining Naval Reactors is a leadership role.
- In their testimony before Congress, the AEC noted, “We are convinced that substantial delays would result if an attempt were made to develop some other reactor system for this first civilian powerplant.” *

Now question is did any large surface combatant, Cruiser or carrier design existed before Long Beach and Enterprise which was destined to use this reactor? It predates the first naval surface reactors by a decade which brings us to the design and construction of the Forrestals.

Sidenote:
I do found two early nuclear carrier designs predating Enterprise:
Study CVAN 4/53 and Study CVAN 9/5
 
Norman Friedman US Carriers:
Study CVAN 4/53: Basically no info, Friedman only mentions it as a small Nuclear Carrier Study done in 1953, before the development of Enterprise begun.
Once the LSR project had been approved, a nuclear carrier (CVAN) design could begin. ln fact a small nuclear carrier (CVAN 4/53) was studied in 1953, but the Enterprise (CVAN 65, SCB 160 design), the first American nuclear carrier, began with tentative characteristics set forth in a 16 February 1954 BuShips memorandum.

- Aviation features primary
- To be built and serviced in existing U.S. facilities (maximum dimensions 1080 LWL x 130 x 36 feet)
- Protection at least equal to that of Forrestal
- Strength deck at the top of the gallery deck (for the proposed new catapult arrangement)
- Canted flight deck
- Capable of operating 100,000 lb aircraft
- At least eight 5-in/54
- 2,000 tons of aviation ordnance
- Best speed
- 4 elevators and 4 steam catapults, two of the latter to launch 100,000 lb aircraft
- 3 million gallons of aviation fuel

Study CVAN 9/55
None of them progressed very far. On 14 September the SCB 153 project was stopped in view of the progress of the nuclear-carrier studies: there was little point in a new carrier design if only one ship was to be built to it. Preliminary Design carrier personnel were reassigned to the nuclear project (CVA 9/55, which became SCB 160 and then the USS Enterprise ), and CVA 63, the Kitty Hawk , not yet much advanced, was modified to incorporate the new flight-deck features. ln addition, as a matter of urgency, i ts elevators were enlarged by the addition of pie-shaped segments on their outboard edges. This solved the elevator size problem, and the solution was applied to CVA 64, the USS Constellation, as well. As completed, both ships were designated SCB 127A.

and a third, Self-pretecting CVAN Study:
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Also I did found a mention in the US Carrier book about this reactor:
One of the earliest indications of navy interest in a nuclear carrier was a 1 August 1950 request by the CN 0, Admiral Forrest Sherman, for a BuShips study of the feasibility of such a ship. Captain H. G. Rick over proposed completion in 1953 of a land-based prototype, the large ship reactor (LSR), and in 1955 of a shipboard plant. So large a plant would have com peted directly with the nuclear weapons program, which used the same highly enriched uranium, so a design study was ordered but no prototype built. However, the Joint Chiefs of Staff did establish a formal requirement for a carrier reactor in Novem ber 1951. At this time the only other naval reactor design in progress was the submarine type that ulti mately powered the Nautilus. A carrier required a very different design, which was assigned in such a way as to preclude merely scaling up the submarine reactor for it. By 1952 the estimated cost of the land based prototype was about $150 million, that is, almost as much as a conventional carrier itself. Given such a high cost, the Joint Chiefs sought to combine in a single plant a prototype land-based power reactor, a plutonium-making reactor, and the naval pro totype.

The new Eisenhower administration was deter mined to cut military costs, just as authorization for the LSR was due. Question was raised within the navy as to the value of a carrier plant. Nuclear power was far easier to justify for a submarine or even for a short-range destroyer; carriers were so large that they could transport a sufficient amount of fuel with them. Moreover, there was some question as to whether the navy could obtain enough nuclear fuel for both a large fleet of submarines and surface ships, a fear particularly legitimate at a time of rapid nu clear-weapon production, with its great drain on national nuclear · resources. Too, there was fear within OPNAV that support for a future nuclear car rier would undermine the existing (and urgent) pro gram of conventional-carrier construction. Admiral Sherman appears to have been the only major naval exponent of the carrier project, and he died in July 1951. Therefore in the summer of 1953 the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) cancelled the carrier reactor project in favor of one for a land-based power station.
However, the carrier-reactor project did not die. ln May 1954 Rickover proposed a program of five reac tor prototypes, ranging from an attack-submarine power plant up through destroyer, cruiser, and car rier prototypes. The administration approved, and research and development of the carrier-reactor land-based prototype was approved by the AEC in August 1954. By the end of 1955 a land-based pro totype, the Al W, consisting of two reactors driving a simulated single propeller shaft of a carrier, was planned. A frigate reactor, the Fl W, was to use the same core in a somewhat larger reactor, and there was also to be a cruiser plant, the Cl W, using four Al W reactors rather than the eight of the carrier plant. ln these designations the first letter indicated the type of ship, the second the manufacturer (W for Westinghouse and G for General Electric). A two reactor variant of the Cl W powered the nuclear cruiser Lang Beach. ln fact, the Lang Beach plant was used as a seagoing test version of that planned for the Enterprise. No Fl W entered service; instead there were the DI G and D2G destroyer (frigate) reactors. As for carriers, the operational version of the Al W was the A2W; eight reactors of this type powered the first

Both the A2W and Cl W produced similar levels of power. The 280,000 SHP for the Enterprise equates to 35,000 SHP per reactor; the reported 80,000 SHP of the Lang Beach equates to about 40,000 SHP per reactor. The destroyer reactors were somewhat smaller, the Bainbridge showing 60,000 SHPwith two D2Gs, or 30,000 SHP each. By the late fifties indi vidual reactor power was rising, since it appeared that the fewer reactors per ship, the lower the cost per ship would be. An abortive A3W was designed for the four-reactor attack carrier proposed under the FY 61 and FY 63 programs. Since these ships were slower than the Enterprise, one can conclude that the A3W came well short of a quarter of the 280,000-SHP plant, probably about 45,000 to 50,000 SHP. How ever, the pressure for more powerful reactors con tinued strong. ln the early sixties there were attempts to design a single reactor that might replace the 60,000-SHP D2G plant. Although it was not built, experience in its design led directly to the huge A4W, the N imitz plant, which reportedly produces 260,000 SHP (130,000 SHPper reactor). At each level of power some upgrading was possible, but not very much, given the delicacy of reactor design. Thus, for exam ple, any attempt to design a range of nuclear aircraft carriers was very strictly constrained by the range of available reactors. The original Al W/A2W was sized on the hasis of contemporary conventional-carrier power plants, the four-reactor Cl W originally being intended to produce a level of power comparable with that of a Des M aines-class heavy cruiser capable of 120,000 SHP. Ultimately it did rather better on two reactors, which gives some indication of the range of reactor-design flexibility, before details had been fixed.
 
Well 2 Talos and 4 Terrier are indeed a heavy missile armament though the the single SPQ-5 / SPG-55 directors for the twin Terrier launchers seems reduce their effectiveness (I know the official sketch too shows single radars for them) but there seems to be enough space for two radar installations near the launchers or even on the bridge sides.
 
Well 2 Talos and 4 Terrier are indeed a heavy missile armament though the the single SPQ-5 / SPG-55 directors for the twin Terrier launchers seems reduce their effectiveness (I know the official sketch too shows single radars for them) but there seems to be enough space for two radar installations near the launchers or even on the bridge sides.
Well, if we assume that this ship would be build in late 1950s - which seems logical - then RIM-2 Terriers would most likely be replaced with RIM-24 Tartars, following the Albany pattern of long-range and short-range weaponry?
 
Well, if we assume that this ship would be build in late 1950s - which seems logical - then RIM-2 Terriers would most likely be replaced with RIM-24 Tartars, following the Albany pattern of long-range and short-range weaponry?
Why? Sure that would provide an LR/SR mix but sacrafice the MR. Long Beach too had only Talos-Terrier mix. Also the Tartar to my knowledge was always vertically loaded and you need considerable space beneath tge launcher for the missile drums see the aft platform on the Enterprise.
 
Why? Sure that would provide an LR/SR mix but sacrafice the MR. Long Beach too had only Talos-Terrier mix. Also the Tartar to my knowledge was always vertically loaded and you need considerable space beneath tge launcher for the missile drums see the aft platform on the Enterprise.
Mostly because they would be smaller and lighter - more compact, easier to fit, and, let's be frank - more suitable for self-protection. And they seems to fit:

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Mostly because they would be smaller and lighter - more compact, easier to fit, and, let's be frank - more suitable for self-protection. And they seems to fit:

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Would also be better for ASW protection, you could move the sponsons higher, away from the waterline, and make them considerably smaller, reducing slamming and meaning that the carrier could maintain higher speeds in bad weather, thus providing greater safety from submarine attack.
 
Would also be better for ASW protection, you could move the sponsons higher, away from the waterline, and make them considerably smaller, reducing slamming and meaning that the carrier could maintain higher speeds in bad weather, thus providing greater safety from submarine attack.
True. And their illuminators are much lighter and more compact. Could have two illuminator for each Mark-11 launcher.
 
Of course, Kitty Hawk and Constellation both had Terrier launchers early on. It seemed to be a relatively compact arrangement compared to that on the Self-Protecting CVAN proposal.

DRW
 
My personal favorite from freedmonds destroyer book was the plan to put a first generation sub reactor on a forest Sherman hull.

I always wondered how small you could make a ship with the ARE type reactor. Friedman mentioned how the navy wanted to decrease the size of the skate class subs to below 2000 tons useing that reactor (before it floped obviously).
 
Damn shame CV-66 and CV-67 should have been Enterprise repeats the sunk design costs had already been spent. No need to change to the 4 reactor designs and end up with less capable oil fueled ships
 
Damn shame CV-66 and CV-67 should have been Enterprise repeats the sunk design costs had already been spent. No need to change to the 4 reactor designs and end up with less capable oil fueled ships
The 8-reactor design of the Enterprise was way, way too expensive to operate more than one ship. Takes a huge number of bodies to man the powerplant compared to the Nimitz-class 2 reactor plant.

4-reactor designs obviously need about half the bodies to man compared to the Enterprise, but it's still a lot of very highly trained individuals.

Also, building two conventional carriers gave the reactor designers time to scale their naval reactor designs up enough to make 4x the power of the A1W of the Enterprise.
 
The 8-reactor design of the Enterprise was way, way too expensive to operate more than one ship. Takes a huge number of bodies to man the powerplant compared to the Nimitz-class 2 reactor plant.
I'm imagining that at the time of design, the comparison was with an 8-boiler conventional steam plant. AFAIK that was the design basis for the ENTERPRISE plant - take the FORRESTAL plant, but replace each boiler with a nuclear reactorl.

On that basis, the number of bodies is probably comparable (maybe actually smaller?), depending on how many people you need to look after one reactor vs. one boiler. The extent to which the training requirements for those people differed presumably hadn't been fully appreciated yet.

If the Large Ship Reactor* had gone ahead, you'd almost certainly have a four-reactor plant available for CONSTELLATION, and possibly KITTY HAWK.

* discussed in this thread, might be worth merging?
 
I'm imagining that at the time of design, the comparison was with an 8-boiler conventional steam plant. AFAIK that was the design basis for the ENTERPRISE plant - take the FORRESTAL plant, but replace each boiler with a nuclear reactorl.
Yes, that's what I'd heard from the Navy Nukes as well. 8 boilers = 8 reactors, because each reactor is basically a boiler, right? (A: Not exactly)


On that basis, the number of bodies is probably comparable (maybe actually smaller?), depending on how many people you need to look after one reactor vs. one boiler. The extent to which the training requirements for those people differed presumably hadn't been fully appreciated yet.
A single reactor needs at least 9 bodies per watch, plus the Engineering Lab Tech to draw a primary (radioactive loop) sample every day. While the sample is usually done every morning, as long as it happens every 24 hrs per reactor, Naval Reactors is happy. So it'd be 9 bodies per watch (edit) times however many reactors you have and one ELT on-call for the day after he did the primary samples.


If the Large Ship Reactor* had gone ahead, you'd almost certainly have a four-reactor plant available for CONSTELLATION, and possibly KITTY HAWK.
I still think that would be too many people on watch, plus a heck of a lot of maintenance.

Each reactor primary loop needs Reactor Cooling Pumps (which may be doubled to reduce the chances of losing one pump, so there's 2x pumps per loop). Steam Generators have some maintenance that needs to happen every so often as well. Sometimes you need to add "hydrogen" (ammonia) to adjust the primary coolant pH, which is a per-reactor thing and happens whenever the reactor needs it.

Then we get to the secondary loops. You have the Turbine Generators and the Main Engines (also steam turbines, but Navy loves proper names. No "main engines" on a Turbo-electric or IEP ship, though). You have reduction gears connected to the shafts, and the screws. Under the TGs and the Engines, you have the Main Condensers. Each Condenser has inlet and outlet valves (to stop flooding), a pump to move seawater out of the Condenser, and a pump to push the now-water back to the Steam Generators to start the cycle all over.

8 reactors means 8x primary loops and 8x secondary loops. 4 shafts means 4 reduction gears (I don't think the carriers have any secondary/emergency propulsion motors on the shafts because they have 4 shafts and subs only have 1 shaft).

4 reactors each with a single steam loop still needs all the bodies for standing watch, but doesn't actually have much more maintenance than 2 reactors.

4 reactors each with twin steam loops needs just as much maintenance as the 8 reactor version.

My personal favorite from freedmonds destroyer book was the plan to put a first generation sub reactor on a forest Sherman hull.

I always wondered how small you could make a ship with the ARE type reactor. Friedman mentioned how the navy wanted to decrease the size of the skate class subs to below 2000 tons useing that reactor (before it floped obviously).
You're not going to squeeze any reactor much smaller than the one in Nautilus. 13,000hp. So I don't think any surface ship would have been smaller than 3500 tons. So while you can take weight of boilers plus weight of fuel loaded onboard, you're still looking at the nuclear powered equivalents being heavier than their conventional counterparts. And by quite a bit. I mean the D2G reactors were 1,400 tons each all by themselves. Not the entire engineroom, just the reactor. Small in size but very heavy.

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I still think that would be too many people on watch, plus a heck of a lot of maintenance.
More than a two-reactor plant, sure. Less than an eight-reactor plant, probably. Not half, because some things don't scale and LSR was an earlier design, but probably less. Less than an eight-boiler oil-fired plant... who knows.
Then we get to the secondary loops. You have the Turbine Generators and the Main Engines (also steam turbines, but Navy loves proper names. No "main engines" on a Turbo-electric or IEP ship, though). You have reduction gears connected to the shafts, and the screws. Under the TGs and the Engines, you have the Main Condensers. Each Condenser has inlet and outlet valves (to stop flooding), a pump to move seawater out of the Condenser, and a pump to push the now-water back to the Steam Generators to start the cycle all over.
A lot of that is independent of whether you have two, four, or eight reactors. Please don't do six, it makes the system architecture really ugly. I'm not sure whether you'd do one set of steam generators per shaftline or one set per steam loop, I can see reasons for both setups.

The crucial thing, though, is that LSR would have got you all the advantages of nuclear power a couple of years earlier, and with more thermal power than either the ENTERPRISE or NIMITZ plants. That translates to more power at the shafts (300,000 shp, giving about half a knot more speed, and likely better acceleration) and more steam for the catapults. You'd still have to go to a more economical architecture eventually, and I'm sure someone's done a trade study on putting one really big reactor on an aircraft carrier.
 
More than a two-reactor plant, sure. Less than an eight-reactor plant, probably. Not half, because some things don't scale and LSR was an earlier design, but probably less. Less than an eight-boiler oil-fired plant... who knows.
Yeah, I need some old hand from the Forrestal class to say how many bodies they had on watch per boiler.



A lot of that is independent of whether you have two, four, or eight reactors. Please don't do six, it makes the system architecture really ugly. I'm not sure whether you'd do one set of steam generators per shaftline or one set per steam loop, I can see reasons for both setups.
The variable there is whether the 4 reactor setup has dual or single primary loops (steam generators). If you can build Main Engines that can drive the shaft by themselves, some 65kshp each, then you want single primary loops for the reduced number of pumps etc to maintain.

I suspect that the Enterprise used the exact same Main Engines as the Forrestal class, each making ~35khp and paired two per shaft. Because the US knew how to make those and had made many of them.

The number of main engines feeding into each reduction gear doesn't really impact the costs or maintenance requirements of the reduction gears.


The crucial thing, though, is that LSR would have got you all the advantages of nuclear power a couple of years earlier, and with more thermal power than either the ENTERPRISE or NIMITZ plants. That translates to more power at the shafts (300,000 shp, giving about half a knot more speed, and likely better acceleration) and more steam for the catapults.
Debatable how valuable that was. While there's no such thing as "enough" steam for the cats, I don't think the E or Nimitz class lose all that much speed while doing flight ops. Maybe a knot or three. Not the massive losses like on Essex class or Midways, that hadn't been designed with steam cats so their steam plant was way undersized.



You'd still have to go to a more economical architecture eventually, and I'm sure someone's done a trade study on putting one really big reactor on an aircraft carrier.
Pretty sure the USN doesn't want that, because that makes for a single-point failure of all propulsion and aviation capabilities. Two Reactors means you can shut down one side and still make way.
 
The variable there is whether the 4 reactor setup has dual or single primary loops (steam generators). If you can build Main Engines that can drive the shaft by themselves, some 65kshp each, then you want single primary loops for the reduced number of pumps etc to maintain.
Slightly concerningly, Shippingport - which was based on the LSR design work - had four primary loops.
Pretty sure the USN doesn't want that, because that makes for a single-point failure of all propulsion and aviation capabilities. Two Reactors means you can shut down one side and still make way.
That would come pretty conclusively on the 'con' side, but I'd be surprised if it hadn't at least had a desktop study for the benefit of some decisionmaker somewhere.
 
Slightly concerningly, Shippingport - which was based on the LSR design work - had four primary loops.
That may have had more to do with the capacity of the generators they had available at the time.

I mean, the Essex class was turbo-electric, so they probably had the largest generators the US could build at the time.


That would come pretty conclusively on the 'con' side, but I'd be surprised if it hadn't at least had a desktop study for the benefit of some decisionmaker somewhere.
That is likely to be the extent of the desktop study, too. "If the reactor has to shut down and cannot be restarted for whatever reason, 100,000 tons of American Prestige is dead in the water. This is unacceptable from both a Naval Operational level and an international relations level."
 
Slightly concerningly, Shippingport - which was based on the LSR design work - had four primary loops.

That would come pretty conclusively on the 'con' side, but I'd be surprised if it hadn't at least had a desktop study for the benefit of some decisionmaker somewhere.
Shippingport and the first derivated industrial PWRs such as SENA Chooz-A had four primary loops because it had been required that each would have isolation valves, and there is a limit to the size of such valves (VVER 440/230 and /213 had six primary loops for the same reason). Gen II and beyhond PWR and VVR designs were allowed to have no isolation valves on their much larger primary loops, of which consequently there are only two or three.
 
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That may have had more to do with the capacity of the generators they had available at the time.

I mean, the Essex class was turbo-electric, so they probably had the largest generators the US could build at the time.



That is likely to be the extent of the desktop study, too. "If the reactor has to shut down and cannot be restarted for whatever reason, 100,000 tons of American Prestige is dead in the water. This is unacceptable from both a Naval Operational level and an international relations level."
CV-17 carriers were not turbo-electric. They had double-reduction mechanical drive steam-turbine groups.
 
CV-17 carriers were not turbo-electric. They had double-reduction mechanical drive steam-turbine groups.
Ah, oops, that was the Lexington.

Point still stands about limits on the size of your turbo-generators, though I should have said "Standard Battleships"
 

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