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NamesF/FRemarksQty
PB.01904Experimental glider1
PB.11909Small pusher monoplane (Pemberton Billing engine)
PB.3?JAP-engined version of PB.1
PB.5?Small pusher monoplane similar to PB.3 (25-40 hp NEC)
PB.7 (Supermarine PB.1)1914Single-seat flying boat
PB.9 (Supermarine PB.1)05.1914PB.7 with twin-pusher layout
PB.11 (Supermarine PB.2)-Flying boat (120 hp Austro-Daimler)project
PB.9 (PB.13)12.08.1914Reconnaissance biplane1
PB.11 (PB.15)?Gun Bus. RNAS No.13741
PB.17-A proposed enlarge version of the PB.13project
PB.19 (Supermarine PB.7)?Flying boat
PB.21 (Supermarine PB.5)-Flying boatproject
PB.2309.1915Reconnaissance a/c1
PB.251915Single-seat scout1 + 20
PB.261915
PB.291916Interceptor fighter1
PB.31 Nighthawk?Interceptor fighter1
PB.41
PB.43 Venturi
PB.47
PB.?? (Supermarine PB.3)-Flying boat (90 hp Austro-Daimler)project
 
Hi,

PB.2 was a four wings flying boat,(not sure).
PB.33; http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10393.0/highlight,pemberton.html
PB.37; http://www.nurflugel.com/Nurflugel/n_o_d/weird_05.htm
 
Some notes, corrections and additions...

On the duplicate numbers above :-

P-B's first aircraft were un-numbered.The first design to be numbered, the P.B.1,
was the fifth design to be built.
Some time before September 1916, P-B revised his numbering scheme to include
these un-numbered designs. Thus, the P.B.1 became the P.B.7, and the P.B.9
became the P.B.13.

P.B.9. Re-numbered P.B.13 in new scheme. Known as the 'Seven Day Bus', as it
was designed and built in a week, although there is evidence that the wings were
from a pre-existing non-P-B type.

P.B.17. Improved P.B.9 [P.B.13] with staggered wings. It is unknown if it was
actually built.

P.B.19. Twin pusher flying boat powered by two hull mounted engines.

P.B.21. Larger, three engined flying boat.

P.B.23E. single seat pusher scout. Nacelle skinned with aluminium,hence
nickname of 'sparklet'. Also known as 'Push-Proj', short for 'Pusher -Projectile'.
Fitted with enlarged fins sometime in 1916. Suffered from a rearward C of G,
corrected in P.B.25 by sweeping wings back 11O.

P.B.25. 'series version' of P.B.23E. Wings swept back, see above, and nacelle
covering fabric.
"When the P.B.25 first appeared on RNAS aerodromes it was promptly given one
of the most ribald and unprintable nicknames bestowed on any aircraft of the period."
They were as dangerous as they were flimsy-looking, due to control problems, and were
effectively abandoned before seeing action.

P.B.27. Single seat flying boat. Wings and tail resembled those of the P.B.23E. Pusher
propeller, mid-gap mounted, driven by hull-mounted engine. Not built.
Putnam's 'Supermarine' describes it as 'submarine stowed'.

P.B.33. 1934. Durotofin VTOL, see link above.

P.B.35. 1936. Could be the 'Skylark' light aeroplane design, intended for low cost production.
Primary structure welded steel tube, and innovative control system. Not built.

P.B.37. Two-component 'slip-wing' dive bomber. Construction started in Feb 1940, but
suspended in June.

P.B.39. 1936. Durotofin-type amphibious VTOL. Known only from an illustration on a
christmas card...

P.B.41. 1940. Biplane slip-wing intended to allow standard fighters to perform long range
patrols. Both components would take off joined together, the slip wing pilot flying.
Once the enemy was sighted, the fighter would be released for combat, it's tanks still full
and it's pilot fresh. The slip-wing plane could also carry a searchlight for night interception.

P.B.43. Venturi. Enormous twin-hulled flying boat for transatlantic routes. Assisted
into the air by equally largr biplane slip-wing flying boat.

P.B.45. May be one of P-B's undesignated projects.

P.B.47. Alternative designation for P.B.43 above, but also used for high speed unarmed bomber.
Single seat, single engine and small wing. Tail mounted contraprops ala Mixmaster.
Assisted into the air by large, lightly loaded slip-wing plane.

P.B.49. 1940. Effectively a twin-engined version of the P.B.47. Crew 3.

P.B.53. High speed bomber. 2 crew and single engine. Tail mounted contraprops.

Undesignated projects. There exists a drawing of a Twin-boom, twin engine 'push-pull'
fighter, releasing from a biplane glider slip-wing.

'Tow fighter'. A small pusher fighter to be towed behind a tug/tanker aircraft, a modified bomber.
Intended for defence against night bombing of cities.
Once enemy bombers were sighted, the fighter would be released for combat.
A similar proposal was made to allow bombers to tow their own escort fighters.

Porcupine Fighter. Single seat fighter with heavy calibre guns pointing in various directions,not
just forwards. Pilot would aim using mirror sights.

Sources; Putnam's 'Supermarine', 'Air Enthusiast' 51, pp. 1-7, 'Warplanes of the First World War',
volume?? pp.58-70.


cheers,
Robin.
 
Pemberton-Billing's life and achievements have kept me busy for the past week or so.

I have done a page of my AviaDesign website which recapitulates all the P.B. models from the beginning, with as many illustrations as possible. Of course, as in previous installments, I hope the thumbs will eventually be links to individual files for each type.

If anyone thinks they have images of the unpictured models, feel free to contact me and I'll add them! Please note also that the designations P.B.45 and P.B.51 are still unaccounted for, although I'm willing to bet that the latter may have been the so-called "Porcupine Fighter" project.

http://aviadesign.online.fr/PEMBERTON-BILLING/INDEX.html
 
Stargazer,

Picking up on your comments on the C G-W thread (sorry for the delay), yes the Pemberton Billing system is as near to resolved as it is likely to ever get but it is an example of how renaming/renumbering has taken place after the event.

Here are PB's sketches from his 1916 book. Very poor quality unfortunately but it should fill a few gaps on your Aviadesign website.

Cheers
 

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Hi,

Some updates to the list.

Pemberton Billing's 1914 brochure describes three aircraft:

Supermarine PB1 - the aircraft displayed at Olympia in 1914
Supermarine PB2 - a two seat flying boat powered by a 120hp Austro-Daimler engine in the hull driving a single tractor propeller
Supermarine PB3 - powered by two 90hp Austro-Daimler engines and with a boat-prow hull. This is probably the first 'slip-wing' design that appears in adverts later in 1914 re-numbered as PB7

PB's renumbering started before he had even completed his first aircraft :mad:
 
I've managed to obtain a better quality scan of the PB project illustration from Air War: how to wage it and a copy of Supermarine's 1919 brochure. I can now provide a tabulation of aircraft and projects from these sources and others showing the relationship of the various names and designations up to 1916.
 

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Schneiderman said:
I've managed to obtain a better quality scan of the PB project illustration from Air War: how to wage it and a copy of Supermarine's 1919 brochure. I can now provide a tabulation of aircraft and projects from these sources and others showing the relationship of the various names and designations up to 1916.

Very nice! Thanks for sharing this. I'll take a closer look at it and compare it with my own lists soon.

EDIT: Just realized that the P-B page of my site I linked in the first page (like several others I used to have) is no longer accessible online. Here is a screen capture of it for reference.
 

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PB1 From Flight March 21, 1914
 

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P.B. 9 Scouting . 1914 Flight magazine
 

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PB 9 plan view
 

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and the remainder...
 

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