Nakajima ki-104

[airman]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/16603825727/

I don't know if this aircraft art is based on real project of Nakajima ki-104 : anyone can confirm it ? ???

 

[blackkite]

Oh beautiful art work!! Let me check this. Wait a moment please.

 

[Apophenia]

I don't know if this aircraft art is based on real project of Nakajima ki-104 : anyone can confirm it ? ???

dizzyfugu is a what-iffer. In any case, the Ki-104 was a Kogiken project based on the twin-boomed Tachikawa Ki-94-I, not the Ki-87 as in this what-if scenario: http://www.phoxim.de/forum/index.php?topic=14709.0

 

[windswords]

See also:

Nakajima Ki-104-Ic "黒の尾/Kurono-o" (Candice)
Aircraft "2" of 3rd Imperial Japanese Army Air Force Headquarter Flight, May 1945 (Whif/Kitbashing), Scale: 1/72

http://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.com/2016/10/japanese-aircraft-online-model-contest_13.html

From the page:

"+++ DISCLAIMER +++
Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based historical facts. BEWARE!"

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
This Japanese site says that Ki-104 was a experimental interceptor by Mitsubishi or experimental attack aircraft by Kogiken.
http://military.sakura.ne.jp/ac/index_army.htm

Also this site says that Ki-104 was a Ki-67 base experimental interceptor by Mitsubishi/Kogiken.
http://rikukaigunki.nobody.jp/riku-seisiki/seisiki.html

This site says that Ki-104 was a Ki-94Ⅰbase experimental attack aircraft without pressurized cabin by Kogiken or experimental interceptor by Mitsubishi.
http://ameblo.jp/katsu1961/entry-10012091724.html

This site says that
"In summer of 1943 the IJA ordered Kogiken to design ki94Ⅰbase attack aircraft.
This order was canceled when Ki94Ⅰcanceled.Some document says that this design was Ki-104."
http://military.sakura.ne.jp/ac/ki94.htm

Anyway perhaps Ki-104 was not a Nakajima design.

 

[hesham]

And I heard that,it was developed from Nakajima Ki-87 ?.

 

[blackkite]

And I heard that,it was developed from Nakajima Ki-87 ?.

Ummm......I can't find such a information in Japanese sources.

 

[airman]

And I heard that,it was developed from Nakajima Ki-87 ?.

Ummm......I can't find such a information in Japanese sources.

What i understood about it that was Ki-87II renamed in Ki-104 , so it's impossible that Ki-104 was based on Ki-67 , seems be an error : Mitsubishi ki-109 was an interceptor based on Ki-67 .

 

[blackkite]

And I heard that,it was developed from Nakajima Ki-87 ?.

Ummm......I can't find such a information in Japanese sources.

What i understood about it that was Ki-87II renamed in Ki-104 .

Do you have a evidence of your opinion?

 

[hesham]

Here;

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/16623566658

 

[blackkite]

Is it a evidence?
I think that the evidence must be the IJA's official document or maker's document written in Japanese.

 

[airman]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_military_aircraft_designation_systems

Here Ki-104 was mentioned like a variant of Tachikawa Ki-94 , then designation like " Nakajima ki-104 " is purely fictional , i suppose the real designation could be been " Rikugun Ki-104 or Mitsubishi ki-104 "

then seems these resources :

http://military.sakura.ne.jp/ac/index_army.htm
and
http://ameblo.jp/katsu1961/entry-10012091724.html
and
http://military.sakura.ne.jp/ac/ki94.htm

are the right

(for now : no official IJA document )

 

[windswords]

*Nakajima* ki-104 is a What-if plastic model - not a real project. The real life Ki-104 was not a Nakajima project.

 

[airman]

*Nakajima* ki-104 is a What-if plastic model - not a real project. The real life Ki-104 was not a Nakajima project.

Ok , so the Nakajima Ki-87II have the Ha-219 of 3000 Hp , like project Ki-104 but it was heavy armed with 2 cannon of 30 mm , 2 cannon of 20 mm and 2 gun of 13,2 mm in the nose .
Probably if was produced could be sounded like Tachikawa Ki-104 .

 

[blackkite]

One of the most reliable the IJA's aircraft data in Japan, Gakken's "The IJA aircraft" says that Ki-104 was a Kogiken's Ki-94Ⅰ base attack aircraft.
The IJA's official order document name was 航研第7786号(Aircraft research order No.7786?) in 5/7/1943.

The IJA aircraft （日本の陸軍機） ; ISBN978-4-05-606220-5, Gakken, 15/2/2011
This is really a great book , but unfortunately written in only Japanese.

Tachikawa Ki-94Ⅰ.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14809.msg148385.html#msg148385

 

[airman]

One of the most reliable the IJA's aircraft data in Japan, Gakken's "The IJA aircraft" says that Ki-104 was a Kogiken's Ki-94Ⅰ base attack aircraft.
The IJA's official order document name was 航研第7786号(Aircraft research order No.7786?) in 5/7/1943.

The IJA aircraft （日本の陸軍機） ; ISBN978-4-05-606220-5, Gakken, 15/2/2011
This is really a great book , but unfortunately written in only Japanese.

Tachikawa Ki-94Ⅰ.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14809.msg148385.html#msg148385

Surely: 4 cannon of 30 mm and three bombs of 250 kg .