Mitsubishi A5M3: a carrier-based Hisso-powered "Claude"

[hesham]

Hi,


the Mitsubishi A5M3 was a single seat fighter prototype,powered by one 601 hp
Hispano-Suiza 12 Xcrs engine.

 

[Stargazer]

A5M3

 

[Stargazer]

All variants of the "Claude" in profile form:

 

[hesham]

Excellent my dear Skyblazer.

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire.
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A5M
Source : Internet site.

 

[hesham]

Thank you my dear Blackkite,


but I think the photo for its real prototype is rare.

 

[Stargazer]

I have never seen any. I suppose that if any had existed they would have been in the books by now...

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=TYS2qck2bI8C&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=%E5%B7%9D%E5%B4%8E%E3%80%80%E3%82%AD%EF%BC%95%E8%A9%A6%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%A6%E9%97%98%E6%A9%9F&source=bl&ots=K-fsiu3bSG&sig=AKLDH-CYPHra5X-Ft011CqnAJH4&hl=ja&sa=X&ei=5JgjVNnTBoqm8AW_w4D4Aw&ved=0CBwQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%E5%B7%9D%E5%B4%8E%E3%80%80%E3%82%AD%EF%BC%95%E8%A9%A6%E4%BD%9C%E6%88%A6%E9%97%98%E6%A9%9F&f=false

 

[Stargazer]

Oh my God! Why such a long link? Giving the link up to the page number is enough!!

http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=TYS2qck2bI8C&pg=PA19

Let me explain:

• http://books.google.co.jp/ (domain > replacing "co.jp" by "com", "fr", etc. will make the Google pages switch to English, French, etc.)
• books?id=TYS2qck2bI8C (unique identifier of book)
• &pg=PA19 (page number)

In this case however, the page number you provided is incorrect, because it is the page where you first landed, not the page where you found the information or photo you wanted to share.

 

[blackkite]

Thanks a lot.

 

[Stargazer]

Thanks a lot.

My pleasure! But you need to give us a link to the CORRECT page you wanted us to see! Was it a photo of the A5M3?

 

[blackkite]

No no. It's general information.　Genealogy of a Japanese army fighter .

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
You can see the muzzle of a 20mm motor cannon at the front end of the spinner.

http://k2today.seesaa.net/category/22943243-1.html

 

[Stargazer]

A most beautiful aircraft and an amazing scale model. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Justo Miranda]

Classic beauty!

 

[blackkite]

Hi! A5M3's base the experimental 9-shi single seat fighter(Ka-14). (九試単座戦闘機（カー１４）.
http://www.shipboard.info/blog/archives/2013/07/post_2801.html
https://pekeyama.exblog.jp/20597484/

 

[blackkite]

Hi!
Left side drawing shows 9-shi single seat fighter No.1 aircraft.
Right side drawing shows modified 9-shi single seat fighter No.1 aircraft.

 

[blackkite]

Hi!　9-shi single seat fighter No.1 aircraft and Modified 9-shi single seat fighter No.1 aircraft.

FB27　1/48九試単戦

1/72　九試単戦 改修型

http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2018/06/colour-considerations-9-shi-single-seat.html
https://arawasi-wildeagles.blogspot.com/2014/11/mitsubishi-ka-14-3mt5.html?m=0
https://www.super-hobby.co.uk/products/IJN-Ka-14-Experimental-single-seat-fighter-Kyu-Shi.html

 

[alejandrogrossi]

Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire.
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

Mitsubishi A5M - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Source : Internet site.

An early FAA fighter
My version (cockipt of A5M2 and RR Merlin engine)

 

[blackkite]

Hi! Japanese Spitfire. Radiator position was progressive.
Source : ENCYCLOPEDIA OF JAPANESE AIRCRAFT VOL.1 MITSUBISHI CONTENTS

 

[overscan (PaulMM)]

Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire.
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

Mitsubishi A5M - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Source : Internet site.

An early FAA fighter
My version (cockipt of A5M2 and RR Merlin engine)
View attachment 631525

@alejandrogrossi This seem to be fictional?

If so, it shouldn't be posted in this section - possibly better in https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/user-artwork.14 or https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/theoretical-and-speculative-projects.44/

 

[alejandrogrossi]

Hi! Japanese text in the drawing says that....

96-shiki 3-go fighter (A5M3a) was a test prototype which had a Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs engine for the examination of motor canon.
Two sets were made as an experiment.
Probably, in the Japanese fighter, it is not too much to say the most graceful aircraft. Plan view looks like Spitfire.
Photo of this fighter have not discovered still now.

Mitsubishi A5M - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Source : Internet site.

An early FAA fighter
My version (cockipt of A5M2 and RR Merlin engine)
View attachment 631525

@alejandrogrossi This seem to be fictional?

If so, it shouldn't be posted in this section - possibly better in https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/user-artwork.14 or https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forums/theoretical-and-speculative-projects.44/

Yes.
My mistake

 

[blackkite]

If only we had a Merlin engine!!
In any case, these fighters (Spitfire and A5M) are the work of British and Japanese genius engineers.

 

[Hardrada55]

Seems like several in-line engines of various configurations were being worked on by Japan pre-war :

Mitsubishi B4 V-12 Ha-21 140mmx140mm; 24.1L 1470ci; 900hp@3050rpm@TO 900hp@2900rpm@4000m; 485 kg; Ha-121 - 1070hp@2900rpm@4000m; fluid coupled two speed super-charger; Ha 221 – 1070hp with a 20mm moteur-cannon.

Nakajima NLF(B9) IV-12 1938-40 140mmx150mm; 27.7L 1689.7ci; 950@2700rpm@1780m 940hp@2700rpm@3650m; 6.5/1; 495kg

To say nothing of the DB-601/Kawasaki Ha-40. None of the domestic Japanese engines seem to have been developed enough to mount in an aircraft. Nakajima NLF seems especially analogous to the Merlin, albeit an inverted V engine.

 

[ceccherini]

Seems like several in-line engines of various configurations were being worked on by Japan pre-war :

Mitsubishi B4 V-12 Ha-21 140mmx140mm; 24.1L 1470ci; 900hp@3050rpm@TO 900hp@2900rpm@4000m; 485 kg; Ha-121 - 1070hp@2900rpm@4000m; fluid coupled two speed super-charger; Ha 221 – 1070hp with a 20mm moteur-cannon.

Nakajima NLF(B9) IV-12 1938-40 140mmx150mm; 27.7L 1689.7ci; 950@2700rpm@1780m 940hp@2700rpm@3650m; 6.5/1; 495kg

To say nothing of the DB-601/Kawasaki Ha-40. None of the domestic Japanese engines seem to have been developed enough to mount in an aircraft. Nakajima NLF seems especially analogous to the Merlin, albeit an inverted V engine.

Are there any more informations about these extremely interesting projects? I've never heard of any fully indigenous Japanese liquid cooled V12, maybe a design tailored on Japanese requirements would have performed better than the Ha-40/Atsuta

 

[Hardrada55]

I have thought the very same thing. Sources of information:

http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2017/04/japanese-aero-engines-1910-1945.html
and

Data Base: Japanese Aircraft Engines

It starts with Nakajima's. pdf file attached. I hope our local publisher won't claim their copyright as this is a private forum of membership. They are all writen in Japanese, so - 1. Posting is one thing. 2. Translation is another. Finding time, I'm going to translate them point to...

ww2aircraft.net

 

[Airborne2001]

I wonder why it was not proceeded with. Could it have been the same reason the D4Y had its engine changed from inline to radial, mainly because of crew experience?

 

[Motocar]

Speculatives cutaway Mitsubishi A5M modified by Motocar

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/copia-de-cutaway-a5m4-k-training-two-place-jpg.619208/

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/attachments/cutaway-mitsubishi-k-14-prototipo-del-a5m-a-color-jpg.619302/

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/data/attachments/154/154983-57c3a6e8858208df8d5a0b21dd19f638.jpg

 

[blackkite]

Excellent drawings! Thanks for sharing.