Miles M58 and Martin Baker MB5 Help please

[Flitzer]

Hi again
apologies but I am seeking help yet aggain.
If any one can help I will be very grateful.

I am looking for 3-view drawings/refs of the
Miles M58 mixed jet/prop

and the

Martin Baker MB5
to develop a profile of the twin boom/twin engine fighter.
I understand it would have had parts from or similar to the MB5.

Many thanks
Peter
:
PS: Miles M22A question. The turretted version. Would the turret have been placed just behind the cockpit similar to the BP Defiant?
Again many thanks.

 

[Merv_P]

Here you go on the MB5:

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/mb5.html

The whole airwar.ru site is an excellent resource if you haven't come across it before.

 

[Justo Miranda]

MB5

 

[Justo Miranda]

Miles M.58
From B.C.F.K. Publications by Bernhard Klein , via Chuck Davis.

 

[Rickshaw]

I've never seen the M58 before. Doesn't anybody have any specifications/history of the aircraft they could direct me to?

 

[Hood]

What was the planned tubroprop?

I've seen an artists impression which seemed to have intakes on the inner wings and a chin intact. I believe the M.58 was a carrier-based fighter bomber.

Only two wing cannon seems lightweight for a fighter of the late 1940s.

 

[Flitzer]

What would I do without you all?
...struggle no doubt.
Many many thanks once again.



Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Justo Miranda]

M.58
From "The British Fighter since 1912" by Peter Lewis , Putnam Publishers.London
Single seat carrier fighter
Span (App) 36 ft.,Lenght (app) 32 ft.
Engines ,piston of 500 hp and Power Jets 917 kg thrust
Estimated Max Speed 463 mph
Proposed armament two 20 mm Hispano cannons in tailbooms

 

[Justo Miranda]

The turretted version ?
My opinion here...

 

[Flitzer]

Thanks Justo.
That's what I imagined or hoped let's say.

Is that the turretted Mossie in the pic?

Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Justo Miranda]

Yes
is a mock-up Bristol four gun turret fitted behind the cockpit of Mosquito W4050 , august 6,1941

 

[red admiral]

For the Martin-Baker design, I assume you mean this one?

From Martin's biography by Sara Shabnam.

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some additional info (post 1)

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some additional info (post 2)
Via Linzi Mumford

 

[Justo Miranda]

Some additional info (post 3)
Via Tony Buttler

 

[Flitzer]

Many thanks Red Admiral and Justo.

Great stuff as always.

Cheers
Peter
;D

 

[Hood]

I'm still mystified over one point.

I thought the M.58 was to have a turboprop. On this I'm wrong since you guys have dug of info that suggests a 500hp piston engine. Which type would it have been? As far as I know there was no such inline engine in British production in the late 1940s. Would it have been a new type or maybe the Armstrong Siddeley ASP would have been fitted?

 

[lark]

The type of piston engine is not specified in the M.58
chapter from 'Miles Aircraft since 1925'
Only the jet engine , Powerjets W.2/700, same engine as planned for the M.52.

Specs. of this in egine already given by Justo.
With the two engines a flight duration was expected of seven hours.
Guns in the forward end of the tailbooms : two Hispana-Suiza,no more info about.

Ministry of Aircraft Production suggested 1000hp. engine to Georges Miles
but this was seen as a retrogade step since the 500hp engine was all that was needed
for long duration patrol at low speed.

Long arguments with the Ministry followed but proved fruitless.
Therefore this interesting and novel 1943 project was never built...

Summary based on the text in :Miles Aircraft since 1925 by Don.Brown.Putnam.London.1970.

 

[Flitzer]

Hi again
One more question please.

On the MB Twin Boom, where would the oil cooler/radiator intakes be positioned?
On the MB5 there is that large scoop under the rear half of the fuselage and wondered where or how a similar arrangement might be installed with there being two engines?

Many thanks.
Peter
;D

 

[blackkite]

Hi! MB5.
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/mb5/

http://www.airplanesandrockets.com/airplanes/martin-baker-mb5-1971-aam.htm

https://www.albentley-drawings.com/drawings/british-aircraft/martin-baker-mb5/martin-baker-mb5/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81CqbmO_vK8

 

[hesham]

Hi,

I suggest that,this topic transfer to User Artwork section.

 

[Hood]

Hi,

I suggest that,this topic transfer to User Artwork section.

I think it would be more profitable for a moderator to split the M.58 and M.B.5 posts here and merge them with their respective threads elsewhere.