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I have been distracted recently by everything hapening around now, but let me just say that i'm rather bwildered by on one hand rightly seing VG use on MiG-23 as a mistake, but on the other hand the VG wings on F-14 claimed to be having some kind of magical properties. MiG-23, Su-24 and even Su-17 showed significant increases in weight when switching from the non-VG prototypes. So going the other way, imo absolutely no doubt that a non-VG F-14 would be significantly lighter (especially beneficial given it's very poor initial TW ratio), laws of physics don't care if the plane is russian or american or whatever, they are the same for all.Note that after the F-14 the americans never built another VG fighter, same for USSR , and everyone else. Others more technically minded can go into it more deeply, but obviously, in the end VG just doesn't worth the expense and complications, especially for a fighter. Btw the Mirage F1 that i use a yardstick here, as i understand it turns better than a MiG-21 (iirc 17 deg/sec vs 13 deg/sec), and implicitly than MiG-23 (which even in the best versions apparently turns about as good as MiG-21). So a fixed wing, significantly lighter MiG-23 with a moderate sweep wing akin to the Mirage one, should at least be turning better than the delta wing MiG-21 isn't it?
I have been distracted recently by everything hapening around now, but let me just say that i'm rather bwildered by on one hand rightly seing VG use on MiG-23 as a mistake, but on the other hand the VG wings on F-14 claimed to be having some kind of magical properties. MiG-23, Su-24 and even Su-17 showed significant increases in weight when switching from the non-VG prototypes. So going the other way, imo absolutely no doubt that a non-VG F-14 would be significantly lighter (especially beneficial given it's very poor initial TW ratio), laws of physics don't care if the plane is russian or american or whatever, they are the same for all.
Note that after the F-14 the americans never built another VG fighter, same for USSR , and everyone else. Others more technically minded can go into it more deeply, but obviously, in the end VG just doesn't worth the expense and complications, especially for a
fighter. Btw the Mirage F1 that i use a yardstick here, as i understand it turns better than a MiG-21 (iirc 17 deg/sec vs 13 deg/sec), and implicitly than MiG-23 (which even in the best versions apparently turns about as good as MiG-21). So a fixed wing, significantly lighter MiG-23 with a moderate sweep wing akin to the Mirage one, should at least be turning better than the delta wing MiG-21 isn't it?
