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Meteor Missile: Origins, Development and News
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Excellent Think Defence article as ever..
www.thinkdefence.co.uk
Meteor Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM - Think Defence
Meteor is the next generation Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile (BVRAAM) system
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F-35?
(not before 2030)
www.twz.com
(not before 2030)
F-35 To Get Meteor, SPEAR 3 Missiles “By End Of Decade”
The new weapons will provide an especially lethal combination with the F-35’s stealth and forthcoming upgraded sensors.
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By end of decade would imply 2029 at the latest.
F-35?
(not before 2030)
F-35 To Get Meteor, SPEAR 3 Missiles “By End Of Decade”
The new weapons will provide an especially lethal combination with the F-35’s stealth and forthcoming upgraded sensors.
With so many European countries buying F-35s, it make sense it gets Meteor. Readily agree that F-35 stealthness will make Meteor even more lethal.
[By the way, Gripens with Meteors would be a radical solution to the mounting Russian glide-bombs issue. There are rumors Sweden may export Gripens - yet Meteors would be another step: a big step. And the older Gripens obviously were not Meteor capable... ]
In the latest issue of Air International, Jon Lake states that Meteor is astonishingly affordable being two to three times cheaper than AMRAAM.
I was under the impression that it was the other way around with the US missile being a fraction of the price of Meteor.
Is Jon Lake correct?
I was under the impression that it was the other way around with the US missile being a fraction of the price of Meteor.
Is Jon Lake correct?
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I'd love that to be correct but it seems unlikely given the scales of production and missile complexity.
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Not yet.
I'm sure someone with Meteors and F16s available would have to pay for the flight tests.
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They look good on an F-15...
空自F-15J/DJ戦闘機、新たな改修でどう変わる？ 新中期防、まずは20機から実施 | 乗りものニュース
空自F-15J/DJ戦闘機は、おおむね半数ずつの旧型と新型に二分されます。改修困難な旧型がF-35戦闘機で代替される一方、新型はさらなる能力向上改修を受けることが、新しい「中期防衛力整備計画」で示されました。
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Boeing: MBDA Meteor Wanted By Non-U.S. F-15 Operators | Aviation Week Network
Air forces operating the Boeing F-15 Eagle are almost universally interested in the MBDA Meteor becoming available as a weapon for the fighter, Boeing says.
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You're going to struggle, as ever, getting a direct price comparison because a lot depends on what is included in a contract....and who is buying.
But....all the recent deals point to Meteor and Amraam being roughly the same price.
One of the last Meteor prices we've seen, where an exact number of missiles was noted was the Brazilian deal for 100 missiles for 200m EUR in 2019. But....they were a first time customer so the deal included all the usual training, support, technical documentation etc.
Germany and Sweden ordered 1,219 Amraam C-8 (which is not as capable as Meteor by a long stretch) for $3.5bn in 2023. And both were existing Amraam users...
Adjusted for inflation to today the Brazil deal was 241m EUR, the German/Swedish deal runs to $3.6bn USD.
Unit costs per missile are 2.4m EUR per Meteor ($2.67m USD) and $2.95m USD per Amraam C-8....
So Meteor appears to be cheaper....but certainly not a third of the price...and Brazil was purchasing for the first time, which Germany and Sweden weren't....given the respective operator's positions and the capabilities it seems that Meteor offers far better value...(worth noting that inflation on a CPI or RPI basis isn't perfect because it tracks a basket of goods rather than defence products exclusively...)
You will get outliers though...the recent Norwegian deal for 300 Amraam C-8 for $1.94bn USD clearly includes more than the missiles in terms of support contracts....
Given the numbers of F-16s in European service it's likely also I wouldn't be surprised if one of Ukraine's donor countries paid for the integration costs as it would be a good LRAAM for Ukraine to have and likely come as a nasty surprise to the Russian airforce.
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(1)As said by others, no;
(2)US tend to dislike such arrangements;
(3)Unlikely an/apg-66 can be made for meteor datalink in short time anyway.
Meteor, if comes, probably will come with a platform, or won't at all.
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Are you using FMS notifications as proxy for an actual order? FMS notifications have absolutely no relation to actual missile contracts or anything to do with missile production, orders and deliveries for that matter. Fortunately, US programmatic reporting materials exist with quite a bit of detail and transparently reports on AUR cost, gross weapon system cost and other programmatic cost metrics. Those would be the metrics to look at and compare to similar metrics for the Meteor missiles.
We can find the AIM-120 unit cost pretty easily using US budget materials and the program selected acquisition reports. For example, the Lot 31/32 (contract / option lot) FPIF contract had a ceiling of $1.1 Billion and covered 1,304 missiles for a unit cost of just under $900K. These two lots included 508 AIM-120C7 FMS missiles between them. More recently, the USAF paid about $980K per AIM-120D AUR in FY2024 (order year), and expects to pay about $1MM per AUR in FY2025.
Most recently (just a few days ago), The DOD awarded Raytheon a $1.2 Bn Lot 38 contract that covers approximately 1,200 missiles (current max annual prod rate). That's roughly $1 MM a pop. About half of the contract amount came from FMS ($603 MM).
Lot 36 : $972 MM for 1,160 missiles; Lot 36: $1.15 Bn contract for b/w 1,160 and 1,200 missiles ; Lot 38: $1,2 Bn for 1,200 missiles. I believe all three of these lots included contracts for either AIM-120C8 or the D3 so the ratio of the two, inflation etc are the variable factors across these lots.
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