Messerschmitt P.1101 Variants

[hesham]

Hi,


here is Messerschmitt P.1101-44 project,I've never seen like it before;


http://www.unicraft.biz/

 

[Jemiba]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

The W-shaped wing was considered in some German projects, nevertheless I somewhat doubt those
twin engined fighter and destroyer designs with the project number "P.1101/xx". The P.1101 was a
design to a specification from 1944 for a single seat, single engine fighter, some of them are shown
on Luft'46. But I can see no reason, why this number would have been usewd for designs of a totally
different class.

 

[Basil]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

It´s definitely a fake. The Messerschmitt AG has never considered a W-wing for any project (in contrary to Blohm & Voss).

 

[Jemiba]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

Well, unicraft isn't exactly, what would call a reliable source !

 

[borovik]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

Earlier at the forum already had this image with a variety of the Me P.1101 (unfortunately my attempt with the function search not led to nothing.) Maybe someone will be able to name the source of this scheme?

 

[hesham]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

Excellent my dear Borovik;


specially the biplane design,the P.1101/XVIII-108.

 

[Jemiba]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

I'm still not sure about the P.1101 designation of the larger types. And to me, the "biplane" probably
is the P.1109 variable geometry/oblique wing type.

 

[toura]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

Thanks Hesham and Jemiba.

 

[Wurger]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

Does anyone have a Me P.1101 factory drawing depicting a FuG 248 Eule blind firing radar antenna? The early (and known to me) version of this interesting K-band radar had funnel aerials, but this reference makes me wonder:

http://www.cdvandt.org/SIGESO-Vol-4-Part-2.pdf

Search for the fifth pdf page, down below. It says "it was contemplated that the blind-firing radar antennae would be enclosed in plastic wing tips".

 

[Jemiba]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

Additional drawings and colour profiles by Flitzer of these designs can be found here

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29902.msg194080.html#msg194080
and here
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,29902.msg263301.html#msg263301

 

[hesham]

From, Aircraft of the Luftwaffe, 1935-1945 - An Illustrated Guide

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

I'm still not sure about the P.1101 designation of the larger types. And to me, the "biplane" probably
is the P.1109 variable geometry/oblique wing type.

The oblique-wing aircraft labeled as P.1109 was actually designated P.1101/XVIII-108 (see drawing in Dan Sharp's book Secret Projects of the Luftwaffe Volume 1: Jet Fighters 1939-1945). The designation P.1109 is chronologically intermediate between the P.1108 and P.1110 designed in January 1945, and the P.1101/XVIII-108 drawing is dated July 17, 1944, so it's far too early for the P.1101/XVIII-108 to have been given a new project number coming after P.1101.

There were four additional large designs conceived under the P.1101 designation: (1) P.1101/XVIII-101 swing-wing fast bomber with two fuselage-mounted and two tail-mounted turbojets; (2) P.1101/XVIII-102 swept wing jet bomber with four turbojets buried in the wing roots; (3) P.1101/XVIII-99 heavy fighter/bomber destroyer; and (4) P.1101/XVIII-103 swing-wing jet bomber with four underwing turbojets (similar to the engine arrangement for the Boeing 733 SST and B-1 swing-wing bomber). The second and third volumes of the Luftwaffe Secret Projects series can be consulted for information and specifications regarding these designs.

 

[newsdeskdan]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

I'm still not sure about the P.1101 designation of the larger types. And to me, the "biplane" probably
is the P.1109 variable geometry/oblique wing type.

The oblique-wing aircraft labeled as P.1109 was actually designated P.1101/XVIII-108 (see drawing in Dan Sharp's book Secret Projects of the Luftwaffe Volume 1: Jet Fighters 1939-1945). The designation P.1109 is chronologically intermediate between the P.1108 and P.1110 designed in January 1945, and the P.1101/XVIII-108 drawing is dated July 17, 1944, so it's far too early for the P.1101/XVIII-108 to have been given a new project number coming after P.1101.

There were four additional large designs conceived under the P.1101 designation: (1) P.1101/XVIII-101 swing-wing fast bomber with two fuselage-mounted and two tail-mounted turbojets; (2) P.1101/XVIII-102 swept wing jet bomber with four turbojets buried in the wing roots; (3) P.1101/XVIII-99 heavy fighter/bomber destroyer; and (4) P.1101/XVIII-103 swing-wing jet bomber with four underwing turbojets (similar to the engine arrangement for the Boeing 733 SST and B-1 swing-wing bomber). The second and third volumes of the Luftwaffe Secret Projects series can be consulted for information and specifications regarding these designs.

There is another drawing, much less distinct but more detailed which captions the design simply "2 TL - Doppeldecker mit Drehschiebefluegel". This indicates an undercarriage position quite different to that shown in Jens' drawing of 2012, shorter turbojet nacelles than those shown in the P 1101/XVIII-108 drawing, shorter fuselage, a different tail shape and a different cockpit design.

 

[Vahe Demirjian]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

I'm still not sure about the P.1101 designation of the larger types. And to me, the "biplane" probably
is the P.1109 variable geometry/oblique wing type.

The oblique-wing aircraft labeled as P.1109 was actually designated P.1101/XVIII-108 (see drawing in Dan Sharp's book Secret Projects of the Luftwaffe Volume 1: Jet Fighters 1939-1945). The designation P.1109 is chronologically intermediate between the P.1108 and P.1110 designed in January 1945, and the P.1101/XVIII-108 drawing is dated July 17, 1944, so it's far too early for the P.1101/XVIII-108 to have been given a new project number coming after P.1101.

There were four additional large designs conceived under the P.1101 designation: (1) P.1101/XVIII-101 swing-wing fast bomber with two fuselage-mounted and two tail-mounted turbojets; (2) P.1101/XVIII-102 swept wing jet bomber with four turbojets buried in the wing roots; (3) P.1101/XVIII-99 heavy fighter/bomber destroyer; and (4) P.1101/XVIII-103 swing-wing jet bomber with four underwing turbojets (similar to the engine arrangement for the Boeing 733 SST and B-1 swing-wing bomber). The second and third volumes of the Luftwaffe Secret Projects series can be consulted for information and specifications regarding these designs.

There is another drawing, much less distinct but more detailed which captions the design simply "2 TL - Doppeldecker mit Drehschiebefluegel". This indicates an undercarriage position quite different to that shown in Jens' drawing of 2012, shorter turbojet nacelles than those shown in the P 1101/XVIII-108 drawing, shorter fuselage, a different tail shape and a different cockpit design.

What is the date of the drawing with the caption 2 TL - Doppeldecker mit Drehschiebefluegel?

 

[newsdeskdan]

Re: Re: Messerschmitt P.1101

I'm still not sure about the P.1101 designation of the larger types. And to me, the "biplane" probably
is the P.1109 variable geometry/oblique wing type.

The oblique-wing aircraft labeled as P.1109 was actually designated P.1101/XVIII-108 (see drawing in Dan Sharp's book Secret Projects of the Luftwaffe Volume 1: Jet Fighters 1939-1945). The designation P.1109 is chronologically intermediate between the P.1108 and P.1110 designed in January 1945, and the P.1101/XVIII-108 drawing is dated July 17, 1944, so it's far too early for the P.1101/XVIII-108 to have been given a new project number coming after P.1101.

There were four additional large designs conceived under the P.1101 designation: (1) P.1101/XVIII-101 swing-wing fast bomber with two fuselage-mounted and two tail-mounted turbojets; (2) P.1101/XVIII-102 swept wing jet bomber with four turbojets buried in the wing roots; (3) P.1101/XVIII-99 heavy fighter/bomber destroyer; and (4) P.1101/XVIII-103 swing-wing jet bomber with four underwing turbojets (similar to the engine arrangement for the Boeing 733 SST and B-1 swing-wing bomber). The second and third volumes of the Luftwaffe Secret Projects series can be consulted for information and specifications regarding these designs.

There is another drawing, much less distinct but more detailed which captions the design simply "2 TL - Doppeldecker mit Drehschiebefluegel". This indicates an undercarriage position quite different to that shown in Jens' drawing of 2012, shorter turbojet nacelles than those shown in the P 1101/XVIII-108 drawing, shorter fuselage, a different tail shape and a different cockpit design.

What is the date of the drawing with the caption 2 TL - Doppeldecker mit Drehschiebefluegel?

Undated.