Mario Pittoni's torpedo aircraft

[lucamax]

Dear,
here it is the 3-view of the Mario Pittoni "MP" torpedo aircraft, designed in 1941.
The project was designed by Mario Pittoni while he was working in Breda factories.
The informations are few, but the source (Gente dell'Aria - Giorgio Evangelisti) talk about a 4-engine V-inverted aricraft, maybe four Daimler-Benz DB 601, in tandem configuration.
The speed calculations was about 550 km/h and the armament consited in 2 torpedo and 4 machine gun of 12,7 mm, or 2 cannon of 20 mm.
Regards.

 

[GTX]

Quite an interesting design layout.

 

[Grey Havoc]

Indeed. Gives off an almost Dieselpunk vibe.

 

[Silencer1]

Dear lucamax!

Thanks for sharing. In my humble opinion, the composition of 4 heavy engines far forward from the leading edge looks... questionable, due to requirement of CG maintaing.
Moreover, thin pylons and braces wouldn't be a good support for powerful engines.
Anyway, the projects has had it's own, distinctive shape.
In some measure, placement of jets on the sides of rear fuselage in 1950-60s have been also questionable solution - at least it loves itself well later

Could you say more about the aircraft's designer, Pittoni?

 

[hesham]

My dear Silencer,

Mr. Mario Pittoni was an Italian designer,he worked for Breda for long time,responsible for
Ba.201 & BP.471,also he had a twin engined Project,here;

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,28023.msg292289.html#msg292289

 

[sienar]

Excellent, and a very unique engine arrangement for its time

Cleaned up the drawing a bit

 

[lucamax]

Dear friends,
here I share a better quality scan of the Pittoni's drawings.
Hope you'll enjoy!

Thanks for sharing. In my humble opinion, the composition of 4 heavy engines far forward from the leading edge looks... questionable, due to requirement of CG maintaing.
Moreover, thin pylons and braces wouldn't be a good support for powerful engines.
Anyway, the projects has had it's own, distinctive shape.
In some measure, placement of jets on the sides of rear fuselage in 1950-60s have been also questionable solution - at least it loves itself well later

Could you say more about the aircraft's designer, Pittoni?

Pittoni was an engineer who worked with Breda during the WW2 and projected after the war the twin engined Breda Pittoni B.P. 471.
Pittoni also projected the twin engined Breda 600 heavy fighter in1938 and worked to the Breda Ba.201 design.
About the MP torpedo aircraft, my little source state that it was a 4-engined aircraft with 4 tandem Daimler-Benz 601 with 4.500 complex horse power and a max speed of 550 km/h.
Armament consisted in 2 torpedo (not know the dimension) and 4 machinegun of 12,7 mm, or 2 heavy gun of 20 mm.
Yes, I know: just some years to reply, but I completely forget: apologize me!
Source: Gente dell'Aria Vol 1 - Giorgio Evangelisti.
Cheers.

 

[Nicknick]

Intresting concept, that's how you can archieve counter rotating propellers without a complicate propeller hub. I had the same idea when I looked at the Blom & Voss BV.P. 192 which could have used something similar by an additional front engine (but didn't).

 

[riggerrob]

Intresting concept, that's how you can archieve counter rotating propellers without a complicate propeller hub. I had the same idea when I looked at the Blom & Voss BV.P. 192 which could have used something similar by an additional front engine (but didn't).

During the late 1940s, a Californian built a light twin with opposing engines mounted above its low wing. It had two seats side-by-side in a bulbous cockpit. The rest of the airframe was sheet aluminum similar to an Ercoupe, albeit with a single rudder. The tail boom was slender and low.
It looked a lot like the single-engined Durand XD-85 prototype albeit with the addition of a second tractor propeller.
One pusher propeller was mounted immediately behind the cockpit (ala. Seabee) and the second engine was mounted tractor style- on a pylon - only a short distance farther aft. A mechanically simple way to install counter-rotating propellers with a complex hub. Both propellers rotated above the low wing. Since the engines only made 65 or 85 hp. I doubt if it would have had a significant rate-of-climb if one engine quit. with a single rudder.
He flew it a few times, but never produced any more.

Sorry, but I cannot remember the name of the inventor.