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challenging basics calls for knowledge of how the situation is different from the point discussed . One might have a valid view , there might be some way of getting around the problem , the basics can be at fault as one particular example of how people believed in the 1820s that no train would need going over 50 miles since people would be dying because lack of air and while all the experience showed it would be hard to breath at "high intake speed" the scientists failed to see that people would be in closed cabins . Yet all ı have is talk , Orionblamblam has math , he has a clear advantage . ı will go on believing in what ı believe (and saying it around with provisions and strictures) but the standarts and the quality of the forum - which ı respect truly and not because of any fear of getting banned - require he is right unless anyone has evidence on the contrary . ı don't have the slighest doubt that Orionblamblam would like to be proven wrong as it would be a new thing ; it is part of the human nature to learn new things but ı , for one , don't have that information or a likely explanation . Hawker Typhoon had locations on its wing that went transsonic or supersonic on dives but it would be a mistake to call the plane faster than sound .

<blockquote data-quote="r16" data-source="post: 45754" data-attributes="member: 536">challenging basics calls for knowledge of how the situation is different from the point discussed . One might have a valid view , there might be some way of getting around the problem , the basics can be at fault as one particular example of how people believed in the 1820s that no train would need going over 50 miles since people would be dying because lack of air&nbsp; and while all the experience showed it would be hard to breath at &quot;high intake speed&quot; the scientists failed to see that people would be in closed cabins . Yet all ı have is talk , Orionblamblam has math , he has a clear advantage . ı will go on believing in&nbsp; what ı believe (and saying it around with provisions and strictures) but the standarts and the quality of the forum - which ı respect truly and not because of any fear of getting banned - require he is right unless anyone has evidence on the contrary . ı don't have the slighest doubt that Orionblamblam would like to be proven wrong as it would be a new thing ; it is part of the human nature to learn new things but ı , for one , don't have that information or a likely explanation . Hawker Typhoon had locations on its wing that went transsonic or supersonic on dives but it would be a mistake to call the plane faster than sound .</blockquote>

[QUOTE="r16, post: 45754, member: 536"] challenging basics calls for knowledge of how the situation is different from the point discussed . One might have a valid view , there might be some way of getting around the problem , the basics can be at fault as one particular example of how people believed in the 1820s that no train would need going over 50 miles since people would be dying because lack of air and while all the experience showed it would be hard to breath at "high intake speed" the scientists failed to see that people would be in closed cabins . Yet all ı have is talk , Orionblamblam has math , he has a clear advantage . ı [u]will[/u] go on believing in what ı believe (and saying it around with provisions and strictures) but the standarts and the quality of the forum - which ı respect truly and not because of any fear of getting banned - require he is right unless anyone has evidence on the contrary . ı don't have the slighest doubt that Orionblamblam would like to be proven wrong as it would be a new thing ; it is part of the human nature to learn new things but ı , for one , don't have that information or a likely explanation . Hawker Typhoon had locations on its wing that went transsonic or supersonic on dives but it would be a mistake to call the plane faster than sound . [/QUOTE]

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