Italian Never Build from 1975 to today

[enrr]

A collection of Italian Never build project for Marina Militare Italiana (MMI) and export customer. I can offer CV, Cruiser, Frigate, Corvette, FAC and PHM

 

[enrr]

I begin with the frigate

The CODAD version of Lupo frigate:

At Mostra Navale 1982 was published that three countries had requested CNR for a cheaper CODAD version of the Lupo.
CNR replaced the CODOG plant by 4 MTU 20V1163 TB82 diesels with 17000 KW total output and 28 kn max speed.
The big funnel of the "regular" Lupo is replaced by two smaller.
The weapon arrangement is lighter: OTO 76 vs 127, only one "twin forty", and the Aspide/Sparrow launcher is relocated in the B position (seems a 4 missile version).

From 1989, the F-3000

from another discussion in this forum

Highly automatization and stealthy features adopted. Standard Displacement: 3100 Tons. Lenght: 112,5 m. Width: 14,5 m. CODOG powerplant. Max speed: 34 knots. Max range: 5000 miles at 18 knots. Armament: 3x OTO Melara 76/62 Super rapido, 24x SeaWolf or Albatros (VLS), 8x OTOMAT Mk.2 and one helicopter (EH101 or NH90).

and with the small sister, the F-1700

90 m long, 12,60 m broad, 1710 t st, 30 kn, and for the weapons: 2 76 SR, 4 OTOMAT MK-2, 16 VL SAM, 1x3 tp launcher & 1 Lynx or similar helo

Falco frigate of 1993 for Abu Dhabi

length 108m
2300 tons
127mm guns
2x 30mm guns
two-shaft CODOG propulsion system is based on two GE LM2500
33kt maximum speed,
6,500nm (12,000km) range.

the last frigate was the Falco of 2002 for Chile

3.600 tons, AAW system like as Aspide o Mica VL, main gun OTO 76 or 127 mm, SSM Otomat or Exocet, 1 helo

 

[starviking]

Thanks for the post enrr - really looking forward to seeing more of your stuff ;D

 

[archipeppe]

Thanks for the post enrr - really looking forward to seeing more of your stuff ;D

I agree, especially for the CV's ones.... ;D

 

[enrr]

Thanks for the post enrr - really looking forward to seeing more of your stuff ;D

I agree, especially for the CV's ones.... ;D

Great

Et voilà, the CV project

CNR, now Fincantieri, 1978, for export (Garibaldi was yet on building)
Sea Control & Assault Ship

Displacement: 12500 tonn
overall lenght. 175 m
beam 30
x 19 m (draft? or superstructure?)
max speed: 29 nodi
4 CNR/Foster Wheeler boiler
3 VTOL squadron or heavy helicopter
SSM Otomat
Breda/Bofors 40/70
sclar
Mk32 triple launcher by 324 mm

Selenia IPN10,
NA10,
radar RAN3L,
radar RAN10S,
SPQ2D,
hull sonar

and another image

multirole cruiser
from CNR, 1976
CODOG,
6000 t
unknow lenght
1-127/54,
2-76/62,
4 twin 40mm BredaBofors
1x8 SeaSparrow / Albatros,
2x3 tls 324 mm,
2 Otomat

 

[enrr]

Minerva Sisters

The C-1000 corvette from CNR:

1000 t st, 75 m long, 10,25 m beam, 2 GMT 230DVM diesels, 25 kn, 6.000 nm/15 kn, 1 Compatto, 1 Albatros, 2 triple TL, 1 RAN 10S search radar, 2 Dardo FCR and MF hull sonar.

CNR 550 t

simple gun boat with 2 76/62 Compatto.
One of the first with a "flex fly deck", indeed

can host 4 SSM Otomat

61,70 x 5 x 2,90
550 tonn
RAN11LX surface search radar
Decca TM1226 navigation radar
NA10 fire radar
EDO 700E sonar

propulsion by 13500 to 18000 HP
2-3-4 shaft
vmax from 25 to 34.5 knots
range 3100 mg at 16 knots with the 13500 HP version
100 tonn of diesel oil, 5 tonn of JP5

Patrol Boat from Rodriguez

SAETTIA Mk 1 of 1984

Private FAC built by Fincantieri, no customer.
Rebuilt on 1998 ca as Patrol Boat for Italian Coast Guard

 

[archipeppe]

GREAT mille grazie!!! (Many Thanks) ;D

 

[JAZZ]

Great post-will have to have a look to see what I can find - cheers JAZZ

 

[Antonio]

Amazing treasure!!!, thanks a lot.

Antonio

 

[Brickmuppet]

The 550 ton gunboat has its dimensions listed as 61,70 x 5 x 2,90

I think that the beam must be rather more. ( It appears to be an austere version of Ecuador's Esmereldas)

Other than that exceedingly minor quibble, this is an awesomely awesome bit of awesomeness that you have posted. Thank you!

 

[red admiral]

Excellent pictures, many thanks for the details on these projects.

 

[JAZZ]

Enrr- no chance of you having some additional information on the Fincantieri sea-control-ship design - top left of the grouping in the jpg brloe.

 

[JAZZ]

Italians have been considering a LHP type of vessel for some time. I have some pictures here.

 

[enrr]

The 550 ton gunboat has its dimensions listed as 61,70 x 5 x 2,90
I think that the beam must be rather more. ( It appears to be an austere version of Ecuador's Esmereldas)

I think it's the version with helipad of the Lybian Wadi Class that is 61,7 x 9,3 x 2,7

no chance of you having some additional information on the Fincantieri sea-control-ship design

I try to ask to some friends

Italians have been considering a LHP type of vessel for some time.

Many thanks

I know a similar proposal, but with the island on center

or with sky-jump

but now the offical program call for 3 LHD

 

[enrr]

I forgot this rendering :

as promise the Hydrofoil

MF600 with helipad

Rodriguez shipyard, Messina, 1975
project from merchant ship, different type of Sparviero's hydrofoil

Mafius 300
Displacement: 85 tonn; payload of 15 tonn,
overall lenght. 30,95 m
max speed: 37 nodi, cruise 36
range 500 miles

Mafius 600
Displacement: 118 tonn, payload of 18,5 tonn.
overall lenght.35 m
max speed: 38 nodi,

Fincantieri, 1989, Surface Effect Ship
half hovercraft, half catamaran
Displacement: 220 tonn
overall lenght. 40 m
beam 14,5
draft: with air cushion 0,9 without air cushion 2,2
max speed: 60 nodi, cruise 50
range 700 miles @ 40 knot
crew: 15

ASuW version
1 OTO 76 + 4 Otomat/Teseo
ASW version
self defence point + torpedoes launcher

 

[enrr]

and 2 actual offer

Multirole support and submarine rescue vessel

ength overall 103 m
Length between Perpendicular 92.8 m
Breadth max 16.2 m
Full Load Displacement 4,400 t
Power 5,400 kW
Speed 18 knots
Range at 16 knots 3,000 NM
Propulsion 2 electric Azimuthal Pod
3 Diesel generators+emergency 2,700 kW each
Deck crane lifting capacity 18 tm
Crew in total 156
Classification rule RINAMIL
Refuelling capacity 1,000 t
Bow thruster 1

COMBAT SYSTEM
Combat system, customized according to ships mission
Surveillance:
1 x Band Radar
1 Optronic System
2 small Caliber Guns
1 Integrated Communication System
1 Integrated Navigation System

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70 M Fast Attack Craft

Lenght overall 71.20 m
Lenght between Perpendiculars 62.40 m
Breadth moulded 10.20 m
Depth 5.80 m
Design Draft at trial displacement 2.65 m
Maximum continuous speed 30 knots
Economical speed 15 knots
Endurance 14 days
Range at 15 knots 2,300 NM
Four (4) Diesel engines
Four (4) reduction gears and shaft lines

COMBAT SYSTEM
COMBAT SYSTEM CUSTOMIZED, ACCORDING TO SHIPS MISSION :
SURVEILLANCE S/S
C, X Band Radars
Optronic
EWS

C&C
Open Architecture
Modular, based on reconfigurable MFCs

WEAPON S/S
Radar/Optronic FCS
Medium /small Caliber guns
SAM, SSM,

INTEGRATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
Internal
External (SAT, Link)

 

[JAZZ]

Fincantieri also proposed a 1000t SES. I have only one poor picture and what I suspect was an early artists impression as part of a Fincantieri advert.

 

[JAZZ]

Fincantieri 400T cutter

 

[enrr]

Another round-up of italian Never Build (somw new, some new image)

MINI LUPO

from C.N.R.

92,2 ft (84,0 pp) x 10,7 x 5,6 m
dislp of 1.504 tons fl
CODAD, CODOG (1 tag LM2500 and 1 diesel MTU or GMT), COGOG. (1 tag LM2500 and 1 tag LM500)
28 knots
range of 5.000/6.500 with diesel
crew 78
hangar for AB212 ASW
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Compact
1 octuple Albatross for Aspide
1 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat
2 SCLAR,
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3

RAN-10S
SPN-703
hull sonar

F1700

Feluca Corvette

850-900 t.
57,8 m. x 9,6
v max 34 knot
range 3.000 nm at 16 knot
crew 55

AA version
1 8-cell Albatross for Aspide
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
RAN-10S, RAN-12LX, NA30

light AA version
1 4-cell Albatross for Aspide
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3

ASW version
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2
2 triple tls by 324 mm ILAS-3
sonar Elsag/Raytheon DE-1167 + VDS

deep V
2 diesel + 2 tag
32 knots
range 3.400 nm at 16 knots
1 vls SeaWolf
1 76/62 OTO/Melara Super Rapido
1 twin 40/70 Breda/Bofors
4 Otomat Mk2

 

[enrr]

and MY PREFERITE

AMERICAN MAESTRALE

1 Mk13 for Standard missile
1 OTO 76
1 Phalanx
and US radar

aka the Perry on better design

 

[Pioneer]

I will be the first to admit that I know very little about ship design and building!
But this superstructure-over-bow arrangement looks quite odd!
I get the impression, from what large ships I have been on (civilian – Able Tasman & Spirit of Tasmania, Military – HMAS Tubrok and HMAS Kanimbla), that having the superstructure / bridge directly on the bow (even more so than that of the likes of the the U.S Navy’s Whidbey Island class LSD’s) although offering a fantastic command of view, would this not make for a very rough ride for the crew?

Regards
Pioneer

 

[GTX]

Minor point - the RAN ships would be HMAS Kanimbla and HMAS Manoora (ex/modified - US Saginaw and US Fairfax County). HMAS Tobruk has its superstructure to the rear:

Regards,

Greg

 

[enrr]

There's a variat of that project for an AOR on LHD hull

Length Over All 165.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 147.00 m
Breadth 27.00 m
Full Load Displacement abt. 18,000 t
Speed 18 knots

a small OPV

Marco Polo

Length overall abt. 47 m
Length Between Perpendicular abt. 43.5 m
Breadth max abt. 9.4 m
Depth 4.9 m
Full Load Displacement abt. 280 tonnes
Corresponding moulded draught abt. 1.6 m
Sea trial displacement abt. 250 tonnes
Corresponding moulded draught abt. 1.5 m

COMBAT SYSTEM
1 X BAND NAVIGATION RADAR
1 SMALL CALIBER GUN
1 GMDSS RADIO STATION

Multipurpose Corvette
I suppose it was offer to Israel

Length overall abt. 104.00 m
Length between perpendicular 91.20 m
Maximum Breadth 13.90 m
Depth (main deck) 8.60 m
Full load displacement abt. 2,750 tonnes
Corresponding mean draft abt. 4.2 m
Maximum continuous sustained speed at 100% MCR at trial displacement abt. 27.5 knots
CODAD 25.0 knots
CODAG 29.5 knots
CODOG 27.5 knots
MTU 1163 series diesel engines 4 X 7400 kW
Cruising speed 17 knots
Range in diesel mode 3,300 NM
Endurance 30 days
Endurance at 17 knots 3500 NM
Crew 95 + 15

COMBAT SYSTEM CUSTOMIZED, ACCORDING TO SHIPS MISSION :
SURVEILLANCE S/S
C, X Band Radars
Optronic
EWS
Sonar

C&C
Open Architecture
Modular, based on reconfigurable MFCs

WEAPON S/S
Radar/Optronic FCS
Medium /small Caliber guns
SAM, SSM,
ECM
Decoy Launchers

INTEGRATED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM
Internal
External ( SAT, Link )

INTEGRATED NAVITATION SYSTEM
SEARCH
Products
Type
Shipowner
Ship
Year

 

[TinWing]

There was yet another 12,000 LPD project from the 90s onward, more of an enlarged San Georgio. I remember a low resolution photo on NavalTechnology.com about 10 years ago.

Many thanks to a German friend for the below image.

 

[TinWing]

On a separate note, here is an unbuilt design of a hospital ship for an Italian charity:

A .pdf file with few details other than a slightly higher resolution version of the same profile drawing:

http://www.medchild.org/upload/Progetti/Files/43_200719_191949_update%20dec%2006.pdf

I notice superficial design similarities to the current Fincantieri LHD proposals, although this is obviously a much smaller ship. Does anyone know if any progress has been made on this project? I know it is a digression from typically military topics, but considering the season, and the pertinence to other unbuilt Italian projects, I thought that it might be relevant?

Does anyone have any more details, drawings or specifications?

 

[enrr]

I know the San Giusto Mk IV but I don't know the lenght

The LAMURS-40 for amphibious force of Italian Army, the Lagunari regiment of Venice - 1978

lenght 39,8 m x 7,2 x 1,4
2 diesel for 520 HP
15 knot
5.000 nm
crew 21

3 x 20 mm
1 Agusta A109
1 FIAT/OTO Melara 6614
1 FIAT 1107 AD

Picchiotti LC-67

67 m long, 1400 t, 2x2700 Kw Diesels, 19 kn. Up to 5 M-60, or 16 M-113, or 5 NH-500 helos, 1x2 40 mm and 2x1 20 mm.

Signali/Ferrari LC-30

: 29.3 x 8,25 x 1 m. Designed for coastal and river operations. 1x 20 mm, 2 Castoldi hydrojets, 23 kn.

 

[JAZZ]

Cantieri labding craft

 

[JAZZ]

LC-30 another picture

 

[enrr]

(characteristic on right of image)

another of CNR 550

Corvette of 1.000 tons

FAST LIGHT FRIGATE

and another "Mini-Lupo" with OTO 127/54 mm, CODOG for 37 knots

 

[TinWing]

Here is a topic in an Italian language forum which contains additional content on unbuilt Italian naval projects:

http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php?showtopic=27790&st=200

 

[RP1]

Very interesting topic this - there are some nice ideas presented, and certainly many of the designs keep up the Italian tradition of designing attractive ships.

Regarding the forward location of the bridge - although that example is very far forward, it is not out of the ordinary when compared with commercial car carriers, for example at:

http://www.tsoe.com/neu/ships/nsccarcarrier.jpg

It may well be the case that the LPD is derived from a commercial configuration.

RP1

 

[enrr]

Fincantieri upgrade the LHD from 15/16 ktons to 20 ktons

15k

20k

Length overall 190.00 m
Length Between Perpendicular 167.00 m
Maximum breadth 33 m
Breadth 28.00 m
Full Load Displacement 20,000 t
Propulsion Diesel engines 10,000 kWm
Diesel Generators sets 4x 2,500 kWe
Operational speed 20 knots
Range at 16 knots 7,000 NM

Flight deck for up to 6 helicopters EH-101 type
Helicopters hangar for up to 6 EH-101 type
Vehicle deck capability up to 1200 metric lanes
Hospital area about 1000 m² plus 1000 m² of convertible areas
Floodable dock about 50x15 m
Vehicle ramps 1 stern + 1 side
Accomodation 200 crew + 750 troups

Combat System:
Air & Surface surveillance system ( combined air/surface surveillance radar or air+surface surveillance radar's)
Mine avoidance sonar
Artillery: 3 Short Range Gun 25mm + 2 Otomelara 76/62 SR (acting also as CIWS)
EW system (ESM/ECM + 2 AAW DLS)
Torpedo defense (Towed Array + 2 ASW DLS)
Open archtectural command & control system able to be implemented also in later phase (i.e. adding operational functions & operator consoles) (400 m² avaible)
Integrated comms. system (including also the means for landing troups)
Integrated navigation system (including X and S band navigation radar's)

I think the OTO 76 on the deck is for say to the parlament: "this isn't an aircraft carrier but an amphibious ship like as San Giusto". The problem is taht this design is bigger of Garibaldi CVS ;D

and speaking of Garibaldi the public project on 1979 with flat fly-deck... but the costruction of GG begin on feb 78 :

and upgrade of MOSAIC corvette with the caracteristic closest to Marina Militare requirement for Minerva and Cassiopea replacement

Length overall 104.00 m
Breadth 13.90 m
Draft 3.80 m
Displacement abt. 2,400 tonnes
Speed Max/Cruise/Economics 30/18/14 knots
Range at 14 kts 5000 NM
Endurance >12 days
Crew 90 + 15
Helicopter 10 tons with hangar
Propulsion CODAD-4 MTU 20 V 1163
Diesel Generators 4 x 600 kW

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someone has something on the new algeria's corvette on building with Fincantieri help?

 

[enrr]

as always, I forgot something ;D

NEW MAESTRALE frigate

Length overall.......................... 134.40 m
Length between perpendiculars.. 115.60 m
Full load displacement.............. 4,000 t
Total Accommodation................ 120/130

Propulsion System
Configuration........................... COGAG
Max. Continuous Speed............ > 27 kts
Range at 18 kts....................... 7,000 N.M.

Combat System
AAW/ASuW Capabilities
EW Capabilities

they recycle Maestrale name because they recycle Maestrale hull form with new stealth superstructure

 

[Tzoli]

I assume the CODAD Lupo in the 2nd post are the same size as the original Lupo, do you have data for the displacement?

I'm not sure but maybe I can see a triple torpedo tubes on the F-3000 design, or maybe those are just boats. Can you tell me if my eyes are good or not?

Sadly many drawings and photos are now not available

 

[Grey Havoc]

Via Gunship & heuhen over at Shipbucket, the Fincantieri Aegis missile defence frigate:

Fincantieri's Aegis frigate is a company-sponsored ballistic missile defense concept design. (Christopher P. Cavas / Staff)

PARIS — Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri is well known for showing a wide array of designs at naval expositions, and a huge model of the Italian Navy’s sail training ship Amerigo Vespucci dominates their display at the Euronaval exposition just outside Paris. But tucked in among more than two dozen ship models is a frigate design featuring something quite different for the company — four Aegis SPY1-D radar panels on the forward superstructure, along with a Mark 41 vertical launch system.

It appears to be the first time a shipbuilder is showing the Aegis system on a ship other than a U.S. design and its Japanese and South Korean derivatives, or on frigates built or designed by Spanish shipyard Navantia for the Spanish, Norwegian and Australian navies.

Fincantieri’s “theater ballistic missile defense surface combatant” is a concept design, intended to show that the Aegis system, currently the only shipborne ballistic missile defense (BMD) system, can be installed on a ship with a hull similar to the FREMM multimission frigates built by Italy and France.

No European government has announced a current requirement to build a BMD ship, but an industry source said the design is meant to show that Fincantieri already is thinking along those lines and has a design readily adapted to the BMD role.

No formal relationship with Lockheed Martin is behind the design, the industry source said.

A Lockheed Martin spokesman at Euronaval declined comment on Fincantieri’s design, other than to say there was no formal agreement between Lockheed and Fincantieri to develop an Aegis frigate.

“They are clearly linked with Navantia on their Aegis frigates,” the industry source said of Lockheed. “But this could be a winning solution too,” referring to the Fincantieri design.

The 6,500-ton Fincantieri Aegis frigate uses the 144-meter hull of a FREMM variant designed for Brazil, powered by a combined diesel and gas turbine arrangement.

Fincantieri, however, has a strong relationship with Lockheed on a non-Aegis program. The firm owns Fincantieri Marinette Marine, which builds Lockheed’s littoral combat ship in Marinette, Wis.

And while Lockheed has produced several potential export designs of its LCS fitted with an Aegis system, there are no active plans to build such ships.

 

[Tzoli]

Can the images reuploaded somehow as they seem to be dead for many years!

 

[Hood]

Some late 1970s designs from CNR.
The 550-ton design was sold to Libya (Wadi Mragh-class) but was offered in a range of roles, mostly as an ASW capable corvette.

 

[Hood]

There was an image of the Mafius 600 above but long lost now - here is a replacement.

 

[RipSteakface]

Hopefully Enrr still has the images.

 

[Regio Ammiraglio]

@enrr sorry for the disturb, but could you please uptate the pictures? Most of them broke and can not longer be seen.