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Hi,


India is engaged in a low-scale manned space effort crowded with many would be items in the wish list.


One of them is the MANAV "Manned Space Vehicle".


Let's see which information shows up with time…


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why do the MANAV "Manned Space Vehicle", remind me of that?
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...the Fireball Junior from Gerry Anderson "Fireball XL5"

what you're source on MANAV, antigravite ?
 
Traces on other forums such as, but not limited to:


http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=28405.15


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Manned spaceship was highly popular in India in 2006 - 2007 timeframe with proposed first flight in 2015. But after they realized that they need some 2,3 bln USD for development (this is the whole budget of ISRO for more than two years), the activity was damped. Even in the most optimistic estimation India will not have any manned spaceship before 2020, mostly because they need to invest into other projects such as GSLV Mk. III or Chandrayaan 2.
 
Much of India's ambitions in the 1995-2006 era was conditioned by the then ruling Hindu nationalist BJP party's aspiration to prove India was quite advanced and was technologically, financially and geopolitically prepared to emerge as a new superpower.


Since then BJP government has fallen, realism returned and it has become more widely understood within india that India was in fact financially and technologically far from ready to go toe to toe with china and equip itself with trappings of an emergent superpower.
 
I'm fine with this statement. Tejas proves it definitely.
India has a special relationship with "timing".


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India Launch The New GSLV MkIII Rocket with Test Capsule

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsyRpd2QcGg&spfreload=10

http://spaceflightnow.com/2014/12/18/photos-india-test-flies-new-launcher-crew-capsule/
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/12/india-gslv-mk-iii-prototype-crew-capsule/
 
Michel Van said:
why do the MANAV "Manned Space Vehicle", remind me of that?
1691611545_fa872fc840.jpg

...the Fireball Junior from Gerry Anderson "Fireball XL5"

what you're source on MANAV, antigravite ?
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Or … this!




David
 
Modi said his government would launch from Sept. 25 a previously announced medical insurance scheme, dubbed 'Modicare'
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Pure gold. LMAO. I can see Apu (from the Simpsons) trying to pronounce "medicare" and creating "modicare" instead.
 
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ORIGINAL CAPTION: File image of the escape tower for a manned rocket India plans to launch in coming years.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/India_to_send_manned_mission_to_space_by_2022_Modi_999.html​
 
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/indian-will-take-national-flag-to-space-on-board-gaganyaan-by-2022-says-pm-narendra-modi-in-independence-day-speech/story-ctNAmDef79gbpj7OHrU8dP.html

The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) had proposed India’s human space flight programme – Vyom – nearly a decade ago. The Indian manned mission will likely have a three-person crew entering the low Earth Orbit and will be carried out on board the indigenous Mark GSLV III launch vehicle.

ISRO plans to undertake two unmanned flights and one manned flight where the crew would be sent to the low Earth Orbit for five to seven days.

Work on an orbital vehicle that can take the crew to the low Earth orbit is already underway.

In 2007, India tested its first re-entry technology where a 550 kg satellite was sent into the orbit and brought back to earth safely in 12 days. This shows India’s capability in heat-resistant materials that are essential for re-entry technology.

In July, ISRO had successfully tested a crew escape system at Satish Dhawan Space Centre, Sriharikota. The test was critical for a manned mission as it could be needed for pulling out crew members in case of an aborted launch due to some emergency.
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India to send three-person crew on landmark space mission

India will send a three-member team into orbit for up to a week when it launches its first manned space mission expected in 2022, the government announced Friday.

Indian ministers approved $1.4 billion to provide technology and infrastructure for the programme, according to a government statement.
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https://www.timesofindia.com/india/isro-to-build-3-sets-of-rockets-crew-modules-for-gaganyaan/articleshow/67306001.cms

Highlights
* Human-rating says the system is capable of safely transporting humans
* At least 50% of the Rs 10,000 crore will go into human-rating
* The escape system will boast of a recently included geometry, while work on parachute enlargement and new architecture will be ready soon
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fetch
 
I suppose with the successful Gaganyaan TV-D1 flight the LAS is now man-rated?
 
Michel Van said:
current state on Program flight plans
Source X:
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1810984396490752268
View: https://twitter.com/VikranthJonna/status/1810984396490752268
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There will also be a second in flight abort of Gaganyaan
https://twitter.com/x/status/1769663358322790614
View: https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1769663358322790614


I admit that I'm a big fan of this modified L40, it's the "single-stick viking" that was common place in French and sometimes European small launcher proposal from the late 60s to the 80s (and the Indians also considered it once in the 80s too), finally realized!
 
Springtime said:
Is the Indian Space Station planned for the 2030s or later
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The construction is supposed to start in 2028, of course that will depend on the progress of the Gagaanyan crewed program.

There seem to be various plans for the later 3 modules, this one seems to involve launching them on an upgraded version of the current LVM3 (LVM3-SC) probably starting in the early 2030s, another version that has been discussed involved launching the later modules with the Next Indian Reusable launcher NGLV/Soorya, starting in 2034-2035:

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Interesting but isn't the ISS going be decommissioned in the 2030s is the ISRO hoping that the ISS last until the 2040s or that Russia will try and use it's side of the ISS as a separate station in the same orbit
 
Springtime said:
Interesting but isn't the ISS going be decommissioned in the 2030s is the ISRO hoping that the ISS last until the 2040s or that Russia will try and use it's side of the ISS as a separate station in the same orbit
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there two options
one: the Russian not getting there replacement station into orbit, So keeping ISS running at any cost
two: Axiom private space Station that is build at ISS and stay in same orbit
 
I was thinking the same thing that Russia will try to keep the ISS running and try and sweat talk NASA and the ESA into keeping ther end operational or at least available for use by a 3rd party becauses for some reason a new Russia Space Station might not be possible by the 2040s money wize unless India is willing to support the ISS into the 2040s as a Orbiting lifeboat ?
 
Michel Van said:
there two options
one: the Russian not getting there replacement station into orbit, So keeping ISS running at any cost
two: Axiom private space Station that is build at ISS and stay in same orbit
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Sierra-Blue Origin's Orbital Reef and Vast's Haven are also planned on 51.6°. Unknown what inclination Starlab will be in but given the sheer number of international partners it's unlikely to be different.
ROS will also likely end up at 51.6° (if it happens) , whatever they currently say, they've been wanting to get higher inclination stations since Mir and keeping the same inclination was always convenient and they always fall back to 51.6.

IMO it's very likely whatever American ISS successor will happen, that it'll be on the same inclination.
 
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TheKutKu said:
ROS will also likely end up at 51.6° (if it happens) , whatever they currently say, they've been wanting to get higher inclination stations since Mir and keeping the same inclination was always convenient and they always fall back to 51.6.
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The issue with ROSS
Russia use the Baikonur cosmodrom in Kazakhstan.
Do series of issues*, russia want to launch ROSS from russia Vostochny Cosmodrome.
but here is main problem launching into 51.6° the manned Soyuz rocket goes over the pacific ocean
Since the Russian have NONE capacity for sea rescue, since Soyuz and Orel are land landing capsules.

So they came with idea to put ROSS In Sun-synchronous orbit,
Therefor the Soyuz and Orel launch are over land in case of problem and can land in Siberia not the pacific ocean

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Baikonur cosmodrom has only Soyuz launch pad operational, there Proton is phased out and there no Angara launch pad here.
Next to that is increase political tension between Russia and Kazakhstan.
do international agreement for ISS, Kazakhstan allow the use of Baikonur cosmodrom by Russians
but once ISS is deorbit, Kazakhstan kicks the Russians out Baikonur...
 
Michel Van said:
The issue with ROSS
Russia use the Baikonur cosmodrom in Kazakhstan.
Do series of issues*, russia want to launch ROSS from russia Vostochny Cosmodrome.
but here is main problem launching into 51.6° the manned Soyuz rocket goes over the pacific ocean
Since the Russian have NONE capacity for sea rescue, since Soyuz and Orel are land landing capsules.

So they came with idea to put ROSS In Sun-synchronous orbit,
Therefor the Soyuz and Orel launch are over land in case of problem and can land in Siberia not the pacific ocean

*=
Baikonur cosmodrom has only Soyuz launch pad operational, there Proton is phased out and there no Angara launch pad here.
Next to that is increase political tension between Russia and Kazakhstan.
do international agreement for ISS, Kazakhstan allow the use of Baikonur cosmodrom by Russians
but once ISS is deorbit, Kazakhstan kicks the Russians out Baikonur...
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The problem with Polar, and especially SSO, station for Russia is that it stretches the capability of their current Soyuz 2 - Soyuz - Progress systems, therefore requiring Orel-manrated Angara 5 for Crew, and it is dubious if Progress-Soyuz 2 (whiich is the current plan for the first several years of operation) can have meaningful payload to SSO, so potentially requiring the Amur launcher.

Mir was also supposed to be on a higher orbit until... a year or so before launch! Everything we've heard about ROS says that the inclination choice isn't definitive, and when Russia will be faced with the risk of losing permanent access to Space in the early 2030s, they'll likely go for the most simple option. Soyuz Splashdown has been proven possible, and rescue ships are easier to get than new launchers and capsules.
 
TheKutKu said:
it is dubious if Progress-Soyuz 2 (whiich is the current plan for the first several years of operation) can have meaningful payload to SSO, so potentially requiring the Amur launcher.
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Amur aka Soyuz-7 launcher, another vapoware like Angara it will take decades until Amur fly.
and now back to topic India Spaceflight
 

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