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Those Vulcans were unchanged however, as were the Buccaneers. The outcome was a result of the chaos and mess from the late 50s through 60s. That seems fairly daft when we know we had the ability to have put something much better in place much earlier. On one thread there is a comment, possibly by yourself (?) that in a hot NATO war RN surface ships would have had effectively busy and short existences. I suspect they’d have lasted longer than those Vulcans and Buccs!

Ultimately, I do love the P1121 for its potential as a machine but that is all it was, and I think a lot of the criticism at the time was valid.

Perhaps this takes it off topic, but what would need to happen, probably in lieu of Sandys/‘57, for the UK to enter the 60s with acheivable/realistic requirements and an industry able to deliver?
- TSR2 minus
- New Manned Fighter(Bomber) in lieu F155 and supplant Lightning?
- Less VSTOL obsession in response to threat to airfields (a weird one really, even by 1991 it was still hard to put an airfield out of commission despite decades and specialised kit to do it - arguably theass arrival of PGMs from then on does give that?)

<blockquote data-quote="Purpletrouble" data-source="post: 395582" data-attributes="member: 15600">Those Vulcans were unchanged however, as were the Buccaneers. The outcome was a result of the chaos and mess from the late 50s through 60s. That seems fairly daft when we know we had the ability to have put something much better in place much earlier. On one thread there is a comment, possibly by yourself (?) that in a hot NATO war RN surface ships would have had effectively busy and short existences. I suspect they’d have lasted longer than those Vulcans and Buccs!Ultimately, I do love the P1121 for its potential as a machine but that is all it was, and I think a lot of the criticism at the time was valid.Perhaps this takes it off topic, but what would need to happen, probably in lieu of Sandys/‘57, for the UK to enter the 60s with acheivable/realistic requirements and an industry able to deliver?- TSR2 minus- New Manned Fighter(Bomber) in lieu F155 and supplant Lightning?- Less VSTOL obsession in response to threat to airfields (a weird one really, even by 1991 it was still hard to put an airfield out of commission despite decades and specialised kit to do it - arguably theass arrival of PGMs from then on does give that?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Purpletrouble, post: 395582, member: 15600"] Those Vulcans were unchanged however, as were the Buccaneers. The outcome was a result of the chaos and mess from the late 50s through 60s. That seems fairly daft when we know we had the ability to have put something much better in place much earlier. On one thread there is a comment, possibly by yourself (?) that in a hot NATO war RN surface ships would have had effectively busy and short existences. I suspect they’d have lasted longer than those Vulcans and Buccs! Ultimately, I do love the P1121 for its potential as a machine but that is all it was, and I think a lot of the criticism at the time was valid. Perhaps this takes it off topic, but what would need to happen, probably in lieu of Sandys/‘57, for the UK to enter the 60s with acheivable/realistic requirements and an industry able to deliver? - TSR2 minus - New Manned Fighter(Bomber) in lieu F155 and supplant Lightning? - Less VSTOL obsession in response to threat to airfields (a weird one really, even by 1991 it was still hard to put an airfield out of commission despite decades and specialised kit to do it - arguably theass arrival of PGMs from then on does give that?) [/QUOTE]

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